(meteorobs) FW: Meteor Trail? - Photos

[Robert Verish]

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:35:58 -0500
From: "Peter Brunone" <peter at brunone.com>
Subject: RE: (meteorobs) The Ballad of Dan Rather
To: "'Global Meteor Observing Forum'"
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	Does anyone have a comment about the contrail that
was mentioned on the list yesterday 
(near Edwards AFB)?

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Yes Peter,

Here is an example of some of the comments:

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To: debris-locators at yahoogroups.com 
From: "gary" <yahoogroups at lazygranch.com>  Date: Thu,
23 Sep 2004 20:49:31 -0700 

Subject: Re: [debris-locators] Meteor Trail? - Photos 


I stand corrected on the bolide trail. 
I guess I never saw one in the low atmosphere.
--gary

Matson, Robert wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Given the unlikelihood of supersonic military
training flights on a Sunday at sunset in the Mojave,
coupled with a trail that is a dead-ringer for a
typical entering bolide, I consider a meteor to be the
more likely cause.  Compare Jim's images with some of
those taken of Tagish Lake:
> 
> http://www.ufobc.ca/yukon/ykfireballjan2000.html
> 
> If you have the ability to stereoscopically "fuse"
two side-by-side images, you'll get a good 3-D effect
when comparing Jim's IMG_4544 zoomed 3 times with
IMG_4546 unzoomed.  --Rob
> 
>

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From: "Matson, Robert" <matsonr at saic.com>  
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:48:27 -0700 

Subject: RE: [debris-locators] FW: Meteor Trail? -
Photos 

    
Hi All,

Actually, it looks promising to me.  The short smoke
trail and itsrandom curling are just what you'd expect
from a bolide.  An aircraft contrail should have been
much longer -- or if this short, it should
have been more linear.  --Rob

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From: gary [mailto:yahoogroups at lazygranch.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:30 PM
To: debris-locators at yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [debris-locators] FW: Meteor Trail? -
Photos


The meteor trails I've seen tend to be quite straight
or at least an arc. This looks more like a contrail to
me. Military planes don't always fly in a straight
line for a whole slew of reasons, so I would be more 
inclined to say this is a military contrail. The only
problem is there tends to be no training on the
weekends. It would really help to know the lon/lat of
where the photograph was taken. We can assume the 
direction is west.

BTW, nice photography. Most of the time those rays of
light you see in real life just barely show in the
photographs. Cranking up the saturation helps.

Robert Verish wrote:

>Jim has been kind enough to share his images with us!
> 
>Bob V.
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: Jim Pettit [mailto:j_e_pettit at hotmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:30 PM
> To: 'Verish, Robert S'
> Subject: RE: [debris-locators] FW: Meteor Trail?
> 
> Bob-- 
>  
> If you want, follow this link to a web page I threw 
> up showing all the pertinent photos, plus some
> commentary. Please let me know what you think if and
> when you get a chance to take a look. Thanks for
> asking.
>  
> http://www.ojaiayso.org/_skytrail/default.htm
>  
> --Jim