(meteorobs) meteorobs Digest, Vol 10, Issue 11

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Today's Topics:

1. HALWA  obs at NJAA Obs July 2-3 2008 (meteoreye at comcast.net)
2. Ist  Light...and it's hot! (stange)
3. Re: Ist Light...and it's  hot! (meteoreye at comcast.net)
4. Re: Ist Light...and it's hot!  (stange)
5. Re: Ist Light...and it's hot!  (meteoreye at comcast.net)
6. Re: Talking clocks  (bob71741)
7. Re: Talking clocks  (meteoreye at comcast.net)
8. Re: Ist Light...and it's hot!  (Chris Peterson)
9. Re: Ist Light...and it's hot!  (stange)


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Message:  1
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:41:10 +0000
From:  meteoreye at comcast.net
Subject: (meteorobs) HALWA obs at NJAA Obs July 2-3  2008
To: meteorobs at meteorobs.org (meteorobs)
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A fair two hours at the NJAA  Observatory
40d40m52s N, 74d53m54s W

EDT Date July 3
UT Date July  3
UT Time 0500-0708 F=1.00

IMO Showers, RA, Dec,  Vel

ANT  294  -20  v30
CAP  283  -16   v23

Non IMO Showers (reported to IMO as SPO)

JPI  015 +26  v61 (Sirko Molau Shower # 13)
JAD 027 +45 v56 (Sirko Molau Shower #  18)
SCU 282 -03 v18 (IAU Shower)
TAQ 340 -12 v64 (IAU  Shower)

Time  FOV  Teff     LM   ANT  CAP JPI  JAD  SCU  TAQ  SPO  TOT   Met/Hr
0500-0604 1.013 +5.50   1        0       1      0        0       0       2    
 4      3.9
0604-0708 1.020 +5.47    0       0       0       1       0       0     3      
 4       3.9
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0500-0708  2.033  +5.48   1     0      1      1   0       0        5      8   
   3.9

Totals: 2.033 Teff, 8  Meteors, avg Mag +2.56
1 Ant (0.5/Hr) Mag +3
1 JPI (0.5/Hr) Mag +2
1  JAD (0.5/Hr) Mag 0
5 SPO (2.4/Hr) Avg Mag +3.1

All meteors plotted,  actual plot times from audio tape used to determine 
Teff.
Alignment cord  used for all plots, all meteor times recorded to nearest 
minute.
Also  looked for Sirko Molau's CAP position (sh 20 RA 290,dec -15)- None  seen
Sporadics examined for:
SM sh 13, JPI (015,+26, V= 61 kps) one seen  during first period, Mag +2.
SM sh 18, JAD (027, +45 V=56 kps) one seen  during second period Mag 0.
IAU shower SCU (282, -2.5, v18) None  seen
IAU SHower TAQ (340, -11.5, v64) None seen

Lots of Lighning  Bugs, they're really annoying.
5 Satellites, including one with 4 bright +1  flashes.

Wayne

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Message:  2
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:21:50 -0700
From: "stange"  <stange34 at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: (meteorobs) Ist Light...and it's  hot!
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Received from Ed Majden.... Molten mass approaches  earth.
http://www.geocities.com/stange34@sbcglobal.net/edfireball

YCSentinel


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Message:  3
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:33:38 +0000
From:  meteoreye at comcast.net
Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Ist Light...and it's  hot!
To: Global Meteor Observing Forum  <meteorobs at meteorobs.org>
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.... Molten mass approaches  earth. 

Must admit I don't understand this  headline....
MW

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Message:  4
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:56:37 -0700
From: "stange"  <stange34 at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Ist Light...and  it's hot!
To: "Global Meteor Observing Forum"  <meteorobs at meteorobs.org>
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An effect of ram-air pressure heating the surface  and interior of a mass 
however small, in a high velocity approach from  outer space into the earths 
upper atmosphere.

A VERY nice first  capture shown as a composite image of meteor ablation 
which is bright  enough to be described as a fireball.

Wish it had been my capture.  -YCS

----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: 2008/07/08 14:33
Subject: Re:  (meteorobs) Ist Light...and it's hot!


>
>
> ....  Molten mass approaches earth.
>
> Must admit I don't understand  this headline....
> MW
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Message: 5
Date: Tue,  08 Jul 2008 22:05:19 +0000
From: meteoreye at comcast.net
Subject: Re:  (meteorobs) Ist Light...and it's hot!
To: Global Meteor Observing Forum  <meteorobs at meteorobs.org>
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That's what I didn't like. The term  "Molten Mass" is typical of the hyped 
headlines of the MainStream Media. We  all know (or should know) that almost all 
of the mass is solid, not molten.  Most likely, if it's a meteorite dropping 
fireball (which is of course not  known) the center never gets molten. 
Otherwise it is vaporized, possible even  through sublimation.

Sorry to be picky, but the scientifically ignorant  media and I have been 
rasslin' a bit lately, so I hate to see inaccurate  headlines attached to events.

In any case, great image!! If that's  first light, we should all be so lucky!

Wayne

--------------  Original message -------------- 
From: "stange"  <stange34 at sbcglobal.net> 

> An effect of ram-air pressure  heating the surface and interior of a mass 
> however small, in a high  velocity approach from outer space into the 
earths 
> upper atmosphere.  
> 
> A VERY nice first capture shown as a composite image of  meteor ablation 
> which is bright enough to be described as a fireball.  
> 
> Wish it had been my capture. -YCS 
> 
> -----  Original Message ----- 
> From: 
> To: "Global Meteor Observing  Forum" 
> Sent: 2008/07/08 14:33 
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Ist  Light...and it's hot! 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
>  > .... Molten mass approaches earth. 
> > 
> > Must admit  I don't understand this headline.... 
> > MW 
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 08 Jul  2008 22:07:49 -0000
From: "bob71741" <bob71741 at yahoo.com>
Subject:  Re: (meteorobs) Talking clocks
To: Global Meteor Observing Forum  <meteorobs at meteorobs.org>
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A few months back someone on this forum needed a  new tape recorder,
and he was directed by another to try a digital voice  recorder; an RCA
RP5022B at a low price of $25US. 

Well I bought  one, for another purpose, and its great; The unit keeps
good time, and  every voice entry is time stamped down to the second.
Sounds ideal for  meteor records; you can describe the situation with
out worrying about the  time because the file is time stamped.

This was a few months ago (8 or  9?), so there are many other voice
recorders out there now to choose  from.

Best Regards
Bob

--- In meteorobs at yahoogroups.com,  Francisco Oca?a <albireo3000 at ...> wrote:
>
> stange  escribi?:
> > A number of possibilities exist.
> >
>  > 1) Talking clock software(many free), for a laptop?
>  >   
> Thanks YCSentinel, I think I will use a laptop or a  palm, although 
> batteries give always problems
> > 2) Talking  clocks similar to older Sharp CT-660E, Radio Shack, or
newer 
> >  talking clocks under $10 for example:
> >   
http://www.amazon.com/Big-Mouth-Talking-Alarm-Clock/dp/B000X8N0W4/ref=cm_cr_pr
_sims_t/103-9234421-1512648
>  > 3) Or digital radio frequencies at 5, 10, 20 Mhz in North America
>  >
> > YCSentinel
> >
> >   
>  Thank you all!
> 
> Paco
> 
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Message:  7
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:10:51 +0000
From:  meteoreye at comcast.net
Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Talking clocks
To: Global  Meteor Observing Forum  <meteorobs at meteorobs.org>
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How much time can it  record?
-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "bob71741"  <bob71741 at yahoo.com> 

> A few months back someone on this  forum needed a new tape recorder, 
> and he was directed by another to  try a digital voice recorder; an RCA 
> RP5022B at a low price of $25US.  
> 
> Well I bought one, for another purpose, and its great; The  unit keeps 
> good time, and every voice entry is time stamped down to  the second. 
> Sounds ideal for meteor records; you can describe the  situation with 
> out worrying about the time because the file is time  stamped. 
> 
> This was a few months ago (8 or 9?), so there are  many other voice 
> recorders out there now to choose from. 
>  
> Best Regards 
> Bob 
> 
> --- In  meteorobs at yahoogroups.com, Francisco Ocaña wrote: 
> > 
> >  stange escribió: 
> > > A number of possibilities exist. 
>  > > 
> > > 1) Talking clock software(many free), for a  laptopç 
> > > 
> > Thanks YCSentinel, I think I will use  a laptop or a palm, although 
> > batteries give always problems  
> > > 2) Talking clocks similar to older Sharp CT-660E, Radio  Shack, or 
> newer 
> > > talking clocks under $10 for  example: 
> > > 
>  
http://www.amazon.com/Big-Mouth-Talking-Alarm-Clock/dp/B000X8N0W4/ref=cm_cr_pr_s  
> ims_t/103-9234421-1512648 
> > > 3) Or digital radio  frequencies at 5, 10, 20 Mhz in North America 
> > > 
> >  > YCSentinel 
> > > 
> > > 
> > Thank you  all! 
> > 
> > Paco 
> > 
> > 
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 8 Jul  2008 16:47:27 -0600
From: "Chris Peterson"  <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Ist Light...and  it's hot!
To: "Global Meteor Observing Forum"  <meteorobs at meteorobs.org>
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Hi Larry-

This fireball is probably large  enough that ram pressure is responsible for 
its heating, but that isn't  always the case. For a mass smaller than a few 
millimeters (which can  still produce a significant fireball), it isn't ram 
pressure that produces  heating but collisions with air molecules. This is a 
direct consequence of  the small size of the object with respect to the 
rather large mean free  path at high altitudes. Below a certain size, an 
object can't maintain a  volume of compressed air in front of it.

In any case, there's no  "molten mass" here. At any point along the path, the 
average temperature  of the mass is barely above what it was before it 
encountered the  atmosphere, most likely below freezing.

It's a nice fireball, about  what an allsky camera should record once every 
week or  two.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L  Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


-----  Original Message ----- 
From: "stange"  <stange34 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Global Meteor Observing Forum"  <meteorobs at meteorobs.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:56  PM
Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Ist Light...and it's hot!


> An  effect of ram-air pressure heating the surface and interior of a mass
>  however small, in a high velocity approach from outer space into the 
>  earths
> upper atmosphere.
>
> A VERY nice first capture  shown as a composite image of meteor ablation
> which is bright enough  to be described as a fireball.
>
> Wish it had been my capture.  -YCS



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Message: 9
Date:  Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:00:42 -0700
From: "stange"  <stange34 at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Ist Light...and  it's hot!
To: "Global Meteor Observing Forum"  <meteorobs at meteorobs.org>
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Hello Chris,

Interesting, the two types of  ablation yielding light & heat. I have not 
taken the time to read the  collision theory. I suppose it is the raising of 
K & L shell electrons  to a higher state of energy, (K shell can total 2) (L 
shell can total 6)  since it is primarily Hydrogen(H1 & N7) involved which 
upon return to  their lower state emminate energy in the form of heat & light 
for the  collision types.

My understanding of the ram-pressure ablation is that  there is a thin zone 
between the ram pressure heating zone and the  meteoritic material  which is 
of a (much slower velocity), removing  the heated (molten) meteoritic 
material layer by layer.similar to a flow  of hot gasses streaming around and 
off the frontal area of the meteor  during its flight. The inside temperature 
is unknown to me, and I accept  (your) cool interior because of the enormous 
velocity of the object and  the short period of flight.

Then, jumping ahead a bit,  I suppose  after ram-pressure & ablation of the 
larger mass, has made a  progressively smaller mass, it would perform a 
transition to a collision  phase of light & heat?

Larry
YCS

----- Original Message  ----- 
From: "Chris Peterson" <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
To: "Global  Meteor Observing Forum" <meteorobs at meteorobs.org>
Sent: 2008/07/08  15:47
Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Ist Light...and it's hot!


> Hi  Larry-
>
> This fireball is probably large enough that ram  pressure is responsible 
> for
> its heating, but that isn't  always the case. For a mass smaller than a few
> millimeters (which can  still produce a significant fireball), it isn't ram
> pressure that  produces heating but collisions with air molecules. This is 
> a
>  direct consequence of the small size of the object with respect to the
>  rather large mean free path at high altitudes. Below a certain size,  an
> object can't maintain a volume of compressed air in front of  it.
>
> In any case, there's no "molten mass" here. At any point  along the path, 
> the
> average temperature of the mass is barely  above what it was before it
> encountered the atmosphere, most likely  below freezing.
>
> It's a nice fireball, about what an allsky  camera should record once every
> week or two.
>
>  Chris
>
> *****************************************
> Chris  L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
>  http://www.cloudbait.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----  
> From: "stange" <stange34 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Global  Meteor Observing Forum" <meteorobs at meteorobs.org>
> Sent: Tuesday,  July 08, 2008 3:56 PM
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Ist Light...and it's  hot!
>
>
>> An effect of ram-air pressure heating the  surface and interior of a mass
>> however small, in a high velocity  approach from outer space into the
>> earths
>> upper  atmosphere.
>>
>> A VERY nice first capture shown as a  composite image of meteor ablation
>> which is bright enough to be  described as a fireball.
>>
>> Wish it had been my capture.  -YCS
>
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