(meteorobs) Low luminosity meteor and Geminids from Western PA 12-13-09

[prospector at znet.com]

I've seen something like these before, I called them wide and dim meteors
but I didn't know they may have been associated with a shower. The ones I
saw were 3-4 arc min wide, often had a flat front, slow with a longer path
and dim about +2 to +4. I had asked about them and said (8-10 years ago)
that they seemed different and should be studied and reported separately.

                                 Dave English
                             Oceanside, California
                                Ironleaves  (twitter)

Quoting Bill and Yvonne <wvymwalbek at comcast.net>:

> Hi All
>
> In about 20 minutes of observing last night between 0600-0630ut.10
> geminids seen before cloud moved in. LM 5.5.-5.7.
> Temp 26 degrees and about 10% cloud.
>
> Also, I witnessed an enduring, low luminocity object travelling from N to
> S. Path length estimated to be 30-40 degrees, appearing very diffuse and
> traveling on the order of 15 degrees per second.
> I have seen them before but have never really known what to make of them.
> I have always thought anything that enduring would have to have a higher
> intrinsic brightness.  Has anyone witness this type of "meteor" or shed
> any light on what this type of object might be.
>
> Bill Walbek
> Aliquippa, PA
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