(meteorobs) Repost- Clear evidence forMeteoroidejecta/outgassing.

[Thomas Dorman]

Chris 
Did you know at this time that there is research being done on balloons that may make it possible to carry payloads right near the edge of space.Once again the systems you speak of are great but to few observers will have the money to build such set ups. Most of us do what we do on less than a shoe string budget. For me getting right on top of meteor event would settle the issue for sure but this most likely will not happen in my life time.
I feel a now approach is needed that was all I was trying to come up with.Also I would like to see more low cost way to observe meteor than just in the visible light window.My point is we are not seeing the whole picture in meteor events and some new aproaches to the issues are needed.
Thomas
--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Chris Peterson <clp at alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:

> From: Chris Peterson <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Repost- Clear evidence forMeteoroidejecta/outgassing.
> To: "Global Meteor Observing Forum" <meteorobs at meteorobs.org>
> Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 10:16 PM
> Hi Thomas-
> 
> There's no reason to take anything in this discussion so
> personally. If 
> there's an interest in getting different kinds of meteor
> images, why not 
> talk about methods and their pros and cons?
> 
> Meteor images are not, for the most part, resolution
> limited by seeing, so 
> there's not much advantage to getting higher just to get
> above some of the 
> atmosphere. Meteor images are resolution limited by the
> need to use wide 
> field techniques in order to have any real chance of
> catching an event. 
> There is a technological solution, which is to detect a
> meteor with a wide 
> field system and then very rapidly bring a narrow field
> system into 
> position. Such systems now exist, and are not exceedingly
> complex or 
> expensive (a dedicated amateur could construct one).
> 
> There may also be inexpensive ways of monitoring the upper
> atmosphere, but 
> it's also likely that good information is already
> available- I just haven't 
> seen it, and since winds are currently the _best_
> explanation for what is 
> seen in a few images, more information about mesospheric
> winds- from 
> existing monitoring efforts- would be welcome.
> 
> All I asked with respect to putting a camera on a balloon
> and sending it to 
> the lower stratosphere was, what is the value? We already
> know that catching 
> a good meteor at moderate resolution- even during a strong
> shower- is pretty 
> rare. How many balloon flights does it take to get one?
> Will the result 
> offer any more detail than a camera on the ground
> provides?
> 
> Chris
> 
> *****************************************
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Thomas Dorman" <drygulch_99 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Global Meteor Observing Forum" <meteorobs at meteorobs.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:47 PM
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Repost- Clear evidence 
> forMeteoroidejecta/outgassing.
> 
> 
> > Chris
> > What you are taking about is outside the means of most
> meteor observers. 
> > Your view is a great ideas.Full coverage of the upper
> atmospheric 
> > condition with radar which would produce data for a
> ground based observer 
> > to have access to would cost millions of dollar.Are
> you saying that 
> > getting closing to a meteor event would have zero
> value even if it gets 
> > you only 30% closer?How many on this group could
> afford such high speed 
> > imaging equipment much less radar?I was just trying to
> put out a low cost 
> > idea that may or may not resolve the issue at
> hand.Sorry for being a 
> > hertic of the main stream experts on this group.I will
> gladly withdraw and 
> > will remain silent.
> > Regards
> > Thomas
> 
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