(meteorobs) Eta cCetid fireball

jarnac observe at jarnac.org
Mon Oct 14 16:02:26 EDT 2013


Dear Ron,

Thank you so much for your postin and for the compliment. It is good 
to see you're reading this most interesting digest!


Doveed

At 09:00 AM 10/14/2013, you wrote:
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>    1. Re: Magnitude minus 9 bolide-- probable Eta Cetid member
>       (Ronstargazer at aol.com)
>    2. Re: showers shifting through time (Trenary, Carlos)
>    3. Observation October 8/9 2013 (Pierre Martin)
>    4. Re: Observation October 8/9 2013 (Skywayinc at aol.com)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 15:34:49 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Ronstargazer at aol.com
>Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Magnitude minus 9 bolide-- probable Eta Cetid
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>It could not have been observed and appreciated by a better astronomer and
>friend, way to go David.
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>Ron  Baran
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>In a message dated 10/13/2013 4:12:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>observe at jarnac.org writes:
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>Dear  friends,
>
>On the morning of 2013 October 12, at approximately 10:30 UT I
>observed a brilliant fireball as follows:
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>Magnitude  estimate:  minus 9
>Very long, moderate and graceful movement from SW  to SE.  After major
>flash, the remnant gradually continued  southeastward for a few
>seconds before fading away.
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>Because the Eta  Cetid shower is already known for producing bright
>fireballs, including a  Magnitude -20 one on 1969 9 October, I suspect
>that what I saw is a member  of this stream.
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>Sincerely
>
>David H.  Levy
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>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 02:43:31 +0000
>From: "Trenary, Carlos" <carlos.trenary at Vanderbilt.Edu>
>Subject: Re: (meteorobs) showers shifting through time
>To: "marco.langbroek at online.nl" <marco.langbroek at online.nl>, Meteor
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>Thanks to Anne, Steve and Marco for their replies.
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>There was a discussion on a non-astronomical list stating the meteor 
>showers do not shift, because they reflect the tropical year.  Of 
>course this did not sound correct and after a review of tropical vs. 
>sidereal years I explained the error to them.
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>Carlos Trenary
>Carlos.trenary at vanderbilt.edu
>Carlos.trenary at gmail.com
>Nashville Tennessee, USA
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: meteorobs-bounces at meteorobs.org 
>[mailto:meteorobs-bounces at meteorobs.org] On Behalf Of Marco Langbroek
>Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 8:35 AM
>To: Meteor science and meteor observing
>Subject: Re: (meteorobs) showers shifting through time
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>Op 11-10-2013 12:30, Anne van Weerden schreef:
> > Hi Carlos,
> >
> >   From a relativistic point of view, orbits which are very elongated
> > should have more shift, due to their perihelion precession, than more
> > circular ones.
> > But I guess there are also other influences such as gravity of the
> > large planets, I do not know much about the precise orbits of showers.
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> > Greetings, Anne
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>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 00:58:02 -0400
>From: Pierre Martin <pmartin at teksavvy.com>
>Subject: (meteorobs) Observation October 8/9 2013
>To: meteorobs at meteorobs.org
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>Hello all,
>
>The dusk-to-dawn outing we had at Nirvana last Tuesday night was 
>fantastic!  It was one of the most memorable, varied and enjoyable 
>dark sky sessions that I've had in quite some time.
>
>With a pleasant and relaxing two hour drive through the Renfrew 
>area, heading down highway 41... beautiful weather with autumn 
>colours beginning to show, I arrived to the airstrip just after 
>6PM.  Greeted by Chris, Jim, Richard and Randy along with a variety 
>of scopes.  Later on, Ivan and his son Nicholas, as well as Sanjeev 
>and Shane showed up.  An impressive turnout for a weeknight, but not 
>too surprising as the weather forecast was highly promising!
>
>What an interesting night full of surprises!  At dusk, Chris Thuemen 
>pointed out an interesting atmospheric phenomena of radial shape 
>diverging from the setting Sun, that had various shades from teal to 
>deep blue.  It was subtle but I also have never seen anything like 
>that before.  I then switched my attention to photographing the thin 
>crescent Moon and Venus in the western sky, a beautiful sight.  As 
>the sky grew darker, another phenomena appeared... the unmistakable 
>"glow arc" of aurora over the northern horizon.  It was just a very 
>uniform glow, a perfect arch.  But not too long later, this glow 
>turned into a magnificent and very colourful aurora... with flaring 
>spikes, moving curtains!  Wow!!  Bright greens at the base and pale 
>reds at the tops.  The biggest surprise was the sight of a brilliant 
>and slow moving sporadic meteor, gracefully cutting across the 
>brightest part of the aurora!  It was well seen and photographed by 
>many of us too!  Here's the photos I took.  (Yo
>  u'll find the details in the captions underneath each photo):
>http://pmartin.smugmug.com/Other/Nirvana-on-October-8-2013/
>The aurora was very active for about an hour, then it subsided into 
>a dimmer display near the horizon.  I decided to sign-on for meteor 
>observing, and face the north-west to look for possible 
>Draconids.  While that particular shower turned out being nearly 
>quiet, sporadic activity was a different story.  After a normal 
>first hour, the second one surged with sporadics literally flying 
>left and right!  Nine of them were seen within eight minutes, 
>shortly after midnight, including two simultaneous meteors.  A few 
>seemed to emanate from the general direction of Auriga but I was not 
>able to pin point a precise radiant.  Here's my meteor data:
>
>October 8/9 2013, 02:20-04:22 UT (22:20-00:22 EDT)
>Location: Irvine Lake airstrip (Nirvana), Ontario, Canada
>(Long: -76 deg 29'; Lat: 45 deg 23')
>
>Observed showers:
>Draconids (GIA) - 17:28 (262) +56
>Southern Taurids (STA) - 01:56 (029) +08
>
>Period 1: 02:20-03:20 UT; clear; F 1.00; LM 6.80; facing NW50 deg; 
>teff 1.00 hr.
>GIA: one: +2
>STA: none
>Sporadics: seven: -1; +1; +2; +3; +4(2); +5
>Total meteors: eight
>
>Period 2: 03:20-04:22 UT; clear; F 1.00; LM 6.80; facing NW50 deg; 
>teff 1.01 hr.
>GIA: none
>STA: one: +1
>Sporadics: eighteen: 0; +1(2); +2; +3(5); +4(5); +5(4)
>Total meteors: nineteen
>
>I spent the rest of the night with telescope observing.  The seeing 
>conditions were excellent, and I had a terrific time with my 12.5" 
>dob right up until the end even though fog patches occasionally 
>interfered.  It was also great to move around the site, and share 
>what others were seeing and imaging.
>
>Highlights with my 12.5" dob:  The Veil nebula with OIII filter, 
>three comets (2P Encke, C/2013 R1 Lovejoy and C/2012 S1 ISON), the 
>Orion nebula and of course Jupiter in the morning sky, displaying 
>many fine features during moments of excellent seeing!  As for comet 
>ISON, the anticipation caused more excitement than the actual 
>viewing.  It was visible in the 12.5" as a dim elongated object.  It 
>was equally difficult in a nearby 18" dob - but visible!  It'll be 
>interesting to watch the comet as it approaches the Sun and 
>brightens in the coming weeks.  It still has a long way to go before 
>becoming "great".
>
>At the end of the night, the temperature was down to 0C, with heavy 
>dew/frost.  I wrapped myself up in a warm sleeping bag and slept 
>well until mid-morning.  We had enough fun that we're thinking of 
>getting out there again next New Moon!
>
>Clear skies,
>
>Pierre Martin
>Ottawa, Ontario
>
>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 01:31:51 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Skywayinc at aol.com
>Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Observation October 8/9 2013
>To: meteorobs at meteorobs.org
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>In a message dated 10/14/2013 12:58:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>pmartin at teksavvy.com writes:
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>As for comet ISON, the anticipation caused more excitement than the  actual
>viewing.  It was visible in the 12.5" as a dim elongated  object.  It was
>equally difficult in a nearby 18" dob - but visible!   It'll be interesting
>to watch the comet as it approaches the Sun and brightens  in the coming
>weeks.  It still has a long way to go before becoming  "great".
>
>
>
>Hi Pierre --
>
>Can you provide an estimate (or even a "guesstimate") of how bright  ISON
>appeared to you?
>What would you have assigned it so far a total magnitude was  concerned?
>
>Many thanks!
>-- joe
>
>
>Joe Rao
>Night Sky columnist
>SPACE.com
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