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(meteorobs) Re: Visual magnitude



Hello Friends,

At 19:42 10/25/96 -0400, Lew Gramer wrote:
>
>The question of how visual limiting magnitude (the 6.0, 6.5, 7.0, etc everyone 
>constantly refers to) relates to "true" sky brightness (mag/arcsec^2) is one 
>I've wondered about myself - and has implications far beyond astrophotography.
>
>There's no question different people will report very different limiting 
>magnitudes on the same night at the same location: differences in vision, 
>low-light response, color response, and even visual training are the reason.

I feel the same Lew;
The question:  "How many stars do you see within that area between those 3
(very bright) stars?", gets an answer of, let us say, "4".
But then, the next question:  "But don't you see a little one, just to the
right of the two near the top?", gets you a "Yes, now that you mention it."

Most of us have tried to locate, let us say, Venus before Sunset.  But no,
you can't find it; not until someone else in the group finds it and points
at it:  "Yes, of course, how could I have missed it before ! "

A very young Moon ?
Almost the same situation.

>However, I'd suggest that "true sky brightness" would ALSO be dependent on the 
>sampling mechanism (i.e., on the individual if it were measured by eye)! In
the 
>end, the only comparison which has any meaning is between two detectors
with the 
>same characteristics: two film plates with the same reciprocity failure, two 
>pairs of eyes with the same response, two CCDs with the same power 
>characteristics, etc. Corrections to this thinking are welcome, by the way!!

I'll join you in this quest !

>That being said, though, *IS* there a simple function which can relate an 
>individual's limiting visual magnitude to the true sky brightness?

Is there ?


Saludos,
Andres