Looking closer at my Leonid data netted one 4th magnitude Leonid with a 1 second train that was seen near the zenith. As for brightness, my avearge brightness derived from the 156 Leonids that I saw Sunday morning was 1.6 mag. Someone who was observing at our site with a 14-inch reflector mentioned that he saw alot of telecopic Leonids, but unfortunetly, he didn't record them. GWG