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(meteorobs) Archive resend Re: Murchison...10 Billion years?



Here's a corrective response to the previous posting I sent out...again from
the meteorite mailing list. The topic seems fascinating.
George
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>	Hello everybody. I have read the post by Martin, and feel that I 
>need to clarify some things. I will just run down the current information 
>availible. This is data from the last 6 mos.,and has yet to be published.
>	There are at least 4 types of interstellar grains in the 
>Murchison meteorite. These are Silicon carbide, Titanium carbide, 
>corundum, and Nitrogen carbide. Each type formed in 
>different stars, so there are four seperate events responsible for their 
>formation.
>	Each grain is a product of a supernovae explosion. It is at this 
>time that there is enough heat, and pressure(Enthalpy of Formation, for 
>those who would like a technical term) to combine the elements to form 
>the grains. These are remnents of a star that has lived through it's 
>entire cycle. This is known, because silicon is the second to last 
>element to by fused in a star. So, the elements had to bond after silicon 
>was fused. 
>	The 10 billion year date comes from the fact, that, the corundum 
>grains can only be fused in stars greater than 1.2 tines our Sun. The 
>other grains can be fused in stars similar to the size of our Sun. This 
>led to a reasoning, that went like this:If corundum can only be formed 
>in a star 1.2 times the mass of our own, than(after some calculations) 
>the star it originated from had to have a life cycle of at least 6 billion 
>yrs. 
>So the Universe had to exists for at least 6 billion yrs prior to our 
>solar systems formation. Add the 4.6billion yrs of our Suns history to 
>the 6 billion yrs that it took to generate the corundum grains and get an 
>age of 10.6 billion yrs.
>	Now, Murchison is not 10 billon yrs old, but the grains it 
>contains are greater than 5 billion yrs old. Calculations for how long it 
>took for those grains to travel to our neck of the woods is speculation 
>at best. But, I think, it can be said that some of the grains may be on 
>the order of 5.0-6.0 billon yrs, without stepping on toes. I want to be 
>clear that this is speculation due to stellar distances, and not based on 
>concrete evidence. Ultimately, the true age of these grains may be 
>determined, but till then we can only speculate. 
>
>Frank Stroik