-- [ From: Robert Lunsford * EMC.Ver #2.5.1 ] -- Wow! This is a tough category. Thanks to Wayne for bringing it up and to Rainer for all the work he put into his reply. It seems to me that the existing system is sloppy if it includes stars lying outside the straight and rigid lines. With all the work Rainer has done I would like to see the IMO use his revised counts as limiting magnitude guidelines. Any other ideas? Bob