Lew, Iv'e' seen reports of an observer that consistetly has an LM of +7 *all* the time (and it makes me wonder in awe, as where I observe, if I get an LM of +5, I am astonished!). And his (he lives in NJ, not Wayne, but his name escapes me) rates are about 1/4 as much as mine. All the time. And Marco Langbroek had an LM of +6.5 for the 1996 Geminids and he saw 30 sporadics an hour(I thought you're supposed to see 7-12 per hour!) Jonathan