Geroge sypathises with Kevin:<< a mag +3 NYC dweller, >> I'd slit my throat if all I can get to is +3 magnitude skies. :O) George He can get better than that George, but you'd probably still slit your throat with the NJAA skies (Best LM about +6.0, typical "clear" night 5.4 to 5.75). That's about a 75 minute drive for him, about 3 minutes for me. Rather a moot point since it's never clear |;) Wayne