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> From: owner-meteorobs-digest@latrade.com
> To: meteorobs-digest@latrade.com
> Subject: meteorobs-digest V1 #770
> Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 4:57 PM
>
>
> meteorobs-digest Friday, 9 October 1998 Volume 01 :
Number 770
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: Mark Mikutis <perseus1@pcpartnerdot net>
> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 16:41:34 -0500
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Radius of shower Radiant points
>
> At 05:38 PM 10/9/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >Mark
> > Don't know if this is what your looking for but you might try it by
> >clicking the month you want, then click on the shower you want. I
> >believe it gves you the radii.
> >http://medinfo.wustldot edu/~kronkg/index.html This is part of Gary
> >Kronk's website of Comets & Meteors. Good luck.
> > Clear skies(not here)
> > Fred 8-(
> >Hey, Thanks Alot! for your help.
>
> Mark Mikutis
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> >Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 15:38:58 -0500
> >To: meteorobs@latrade.com
> >From: Mark Mikutis <perseus1@pcpartnerdot net>
> >Subject: (meteorobs) Radius of shower Radiant points
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> >Could someone please help me out?
> >
> >I am trying to find the radius of a couple of shower radiant points for:
> >
> >Draconid/Giacobinids
> >
> >Orionids
> >
> >I have looked all over for this info, but I have not been able to find
it.
> >I suspect it may be listed in some Appendix, but I do not have much
written
> >material available.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mark Mikutis
> >E-mail:perseus1@pcpartnerdot net
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: GeoZay@aol.com
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:05:26 EDT
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Radius of shower Radiant points
>
> In a message dated 98-10-09 17:43:44 EDT, you write:
>
> Lew<<
> Mark, the annual "IMO Meteor Shower Calendar" has radiant sizes,
> but only for *featured* showers of that year. However, both the
> GIAs and ORIs happen to be featured in this year's! See:
> http://www.imodot net/calendar/cal98.html
>
> (The GIAs are listed as having a 5o radius, the ORIs as 10o! But
> note that the appropriate radiant size to assume depends on your
> meteor's distance from that radiant, due to alignment error...)
> >>
>
> Several months ago I was talking to Rainer Arlt about radiant sizes. The
> radiant sizes listed in IMO's meteor shower calendar is not correct. They
were
> suppose to be removed. The radiant diameter of the Orionids are 0.84
degrees
> based on photographic data. I have some listed in my book Lew. I don't
know if
> that update is in your copy or not? But look on Table 8.6 IMO's
Additional
> Working List Info. It has listed the one's that I received from Rainer or
> Rendtel some time ago? It appears that for most showers, the radiant
diameter
> is roughly 2 degrees or less.
> George Zay
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Dave Hostetter <davehostetter@linknetdot net>
> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 17:21:51 -0500
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) 1998 Draconids Metero Shower from Jordan.
>
> I thought the Jordanian Astronomical Society did a pretty impressive
> job! Take a look at their home page, too.
>
> Dave
>
> Mohammad Odeh wrote:
> >
> > Hello Again,
> >
> > Now u can see our detailed report of the 22nd Astronomical Camping
for
> > JAS, which was devoted to observe the Draconids meteor Shower. It
> > contains both; our visual and radio observation.
> >
> > The report can be reached at:
> > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1092/dra98.html
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Moh'd
> > --
> > **********************************************************************
> > Mohammad Shawkat Odeh.
> > Jordanian Astronomical Society (JAS).
> > Member of JAS Administrative Board.
> > Head of Radio-Astronomy Committee.
> > odehjas@geocities.com
> > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1092/index.html (Personal URL)
> > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1092/jas.html (JAS URL)
> > *******X-Mozilla-Status: 0009*****************************************
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: GeoZay@aol.com
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:31:25 EDT
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Re: Statistics & Stationary Meteors
>
> malcolm<< The downside can be
> that in trying to beat your own records the quality of data suffers
> and you perhaps observe when you shouldn't, affecting your performance
> at work.
> >>
>
> GeoZay>>Are you recommending that very active observers should observe
> less so that they won't make your efforts look so bad? :o)<<
>
> Lew>>I thought it was fairly clear from the context that he was referring
to
> his OWN motivations - not anyone else's. But then I'm pretty good with
> reading English, and perhaps others aren't? No shame in that, George...<<
>
> Obviously it didn't seem clear to me. But I did sense a "dig". It didn't
seem
> apparent to me that he was referring to himself and not other active
> observers? But I'll trust your interpretation of foreign English
languages
> here.
> George Zay
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: KevTK@aol.com
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:38:14 EDT
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Fwd: Help us to stop the Znamya mission!
>
> In a message dated 98-10-08 14:44:50 EDT, you write:
>
> << Do you know the Znamya project? If no, read the following pages: >>
>
>
> Isn't this already dead due to lack of Russian funds?
>
> Kevin
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: KevTK@aol.com
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:38:04 EDT
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Re: Close Meteors
>
> In a message dated 98-10-06 20:24:49 EDT, you write:
>
> << It sounds like these two fragments were once one object. Nice story
but
> since they did not cross your shot hit the net. >>
>
> Question: Would any energy release from the fragmentation cause the two
pieces
> to move away from each other rather than running parallel or would the
entry
> speed keep them close and parallel?
>
> Kevin
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: GeoZay@aol.com
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:38:06 EDT
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Radius of shower Radiant points
>
> In a message dated 98-10-09 18:11:41 EDT, you write:
>
> <<
> (The GIAs are listed as having a 5o radius, the ORIs as 10o! But
> note that the appropriate radiant size to assume depends on your
> meteor's distance from that radiant, due to alignment error...)
> >> >>
>
> I must have blinked my eyes or something when I was looking at my book
and
> made a previous post to this? Anyhow, the radiant diameter for the
Draconids
> are 0.07 degrees in diameter. It was among the group of showers that
Rainer or
> Juergen sent me in reference to radiant diameters.
> George zay
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Earl W. Phillips, Jr." <earl@pdesigndot net>
> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 19:55:57 -0400
> Subject: (meteorobs) Re: meteorobs-digest V1 #769
>
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> any idea what the take was for the meteor shower last nite? I got
> clouded out. . .
>
> owner-meteorobs-digest@latrade.com wrote:
> >
> > meteorobs-digest Friday, 9 October 1998 Volume 01 :
Number 769
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > From: Mircea ROMANITAN <mitch@sfinx.lasting.ro>
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:20:31 +0300 (EET DST)
> > Subject: Re: (meteorobs) novice
> >
> > Can you give me the web link? I don't have it.
> >
> > On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Lew Gramer wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Mircea, please be aware that there are OTHER showers before the
Leonids
> > > come in mid-November: the next major shower is the Orionids of mid-
to
> > > late October. There are also several (more or less) "minor" showers
in
> > > between, including the Southern and Northern Taurids, Epsilon
Geminids,
> > > and another shower with outburst potential - the alpha Monocerotids!
> > >
> > > Again, see the Web site! And if you don't have Web access, let me
know.
> > >
> > > Clear skies!
> > > Lew "Rainman" Gramer
> > >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: Rainer Arlt <100114.1361@compuserve.com>
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:54:31 -0400
> > Subject: (meteorobs) IMO Shower Circ. Draconids 1998
> >
> > -------------------------------------
> >
> > I M O S h o w e r C i r c u l a r
> >
> > -------------------------------------
> >
> > DRACONIDS 1998
> >
> > Two orbital periods after the 1985 Draconid outburst,
> > expectations were high for the night 1998 Oct 8-9. An
> > outburst with activity of ZHR>500 occurred over Asian
> > longitudes on 1998 October 8, 13h-14h UT. The informa-
> > tion is based on visual reports as given by Koseki
> > (Japan, 21 observers), a detailed report by Osada
> > (Japan), reports from Xing Ming and Jin Zhu (China),
> > a visual and video report by Jun-ichi Watanabe (Japan),
> > radar observations by Simek (Czech Republic), radio
> > observations by Ewen-Smith (Portugal) and Bus (the
> > Netherlands).
> >
> > Details of the reports are as follows; all UT times refer
> > to 1998 October 8, save for the last period:
> >
> > Report by Masahiro Koseki (Japan, visual):
> > - ------------------------------------------
> > Period(UT) ZHR +- [standard deviation]
> > 0900-1000 14 6 (ZHRs were reported
> > 1000-1100 23 11 by Koseki)
> > 1100-1200 61 43
> > 1200-1300 147 55
> > 1300-1400 371 243
> > 1400-1500 174 123
> > 1500-1600 121 72
> >
> > Detailed report by Kazuhiro Osada (Japan, visual):
> > - --------------------------------------------------
> > Period(UT) ZHR +- [1/sqrt(n)]
> > 1050-1130 154 33
> > 1240-1250 901 144
> > 1250-1300 867 144
> > 1300-1310 1082 165
> > 1310-1320 1265 183
> > 1320-1330 968 164
> > 1330-1340 640 136
> > 1340-1350 442 123
> > 1350-1400 575 144
> > 1400-1410 457 132
> > 1410-1420 323 114 radiant below 20deg henceforth
> > 1420-1430 302 114
> > 1430-1440 193 136
> >
> > Report by Jin Zhu (China, visual):
> > - ----------------------------------
> > Period(UT) ZHR +- [1/sqrt(n)]
> > 1143-1227 230 45
> >
> > Report by Jun-ichi Watanabe (Japa, visual-video):
> > - -------------------------------------------------
> > 1200-1330 ZHR>200
> > 1300-1330 28 GIA on TV monitor with lm~6.0 and a
> > field of view of 40deg x 20deg
> >
> > Report by Zhou Xing Ming (China, visual):
> > - -----------------------------------------
> > Period(UT) ZHR +- [1/sqrt(n)]
> > 1336-1421 562 53
> >
> > Report by Milos Simek (Czech Republic, radar):
> > - ----------------------------------------------
> > 1330 maximum of 400 events per hour at unfavourable
> > radiant geometry
> >
> > Report by Bev Ewen-Smith (Portugal, radio):
> > - -------------------------------------------
> > -1000 no enhancement
> > 1000-1200 increase of short events (<10sec)
> > 1200-1400 4 events (10-20sec) per minute
> > 1400-1415 decrease of short events, a few very large events (1min)
> >
> > Report by Eisse Peter Bus (the Netherlands, radio):
> > - ---------------------------------------------------
> > 0700-0800 9 events >1sec
> > 0800-0900 14
> > 0900-1000 28
> > 1000-1100 33
> > 1100-1200 64
> > 1200-1300 97 maximum suggested at 1245 UT
> > 1300-1400 90
> > 1400-1500 31
> >
> > Report by Ilan Manulis (Israel, visual):
> > - ----------------------------------------
> > 1541-1741 5-7 per hour, group observation
> > 1741-1836 1-2 per hour, lm=3D5.5-6.0
> >
> > European results (visual):
> > - --------------------------
> > Period(UT) nGIA ZHR
> > 1715-1815 7 24 Helle Jaaniste (JAAHE), Estonia
> > 1745-1818 2 6 Jurgen Rendtel (RENJU), Germany
> > 1750-1821 4 15 Rainer Arlt (ARLRA), Germany
> > 1818-1855 3 8 Jurgen Rendtel (RENJU)
> > 1821-1853 2 7 Rainer Arlt (ARLRA)
> > 1817-1913 7 12 Marco Langbroek (LANMA), the Netherlands
> > 1833-1903 4 21 Ike Lysell (LYSAK), Sweden
> > 1837-1926 4 10 Enrico Stomeo (STOEN), Italy
> > 1855-1930 0 - Jurgen Rendtel (RENJU)
> > 1853-1931 0 - Rainer Arlt (ARLRA)
> > 1845-1945 7 40 Jaak Jaaniste (JAAJA), Estonia
> > 1912-1926 0 - Stephen McCann, UK
> > 2010-2045 2 13 Erico Stomeo (STOEN)
> > 2242-2247 0 - Jurgen Rendtel (RENJU)
> > 0250-0330 0 - M. Linnolt, California, USA [1998 Oct 9]
> >
> > If not explicitely mentioned otherwise, ZHRs were calculated by
> > myself with r=3D2.0, alpha=3D262, delta=3D+54. A high proportion of
> > faint meteors were reported during the peak; the ZHRs may thus
> > be underestimated. We can conclude that the Draconid maximum
> > occurred at lambda_sol=3D195.078+-0.010 degress (eq. 2000.0).
> >
> > - ----
> > Rainer Arlt, 1998 Oct 9
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: Malcolm Currie <mjc@ast.star.rl.acdot uk>
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:08:37 +0100 (BST)
> > Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Re: Statistics & Stationary Meteors
> >
> > George Zay wrote:
> > > I don't keep grand totals that combines all years together either.
However, I
> > > do keep yearly totals in a log book that starts over with each new
year. I
> > > record things such as Total meteors recorded, total meteors plotted,
total
> > > meteors counted only, Fireballs, Teff Hours, Nites observed, meteors
> > > photographed, who I've emailed my reports to, and when I mailed
plotting
> > > charts to Rainer. Several times they have been very helpful to refer
> > > to...particularly when my total and Arlts total that he has for me
doesn't
> > > match. It makes it easier to notice if I'm missing a report or
> > > something...which happens about once a year.
> >
> > Some logging sounds useful. In my earlier years I did this, and for
> > me it would help the have lists by observer. That makes it easier to
> > write IMO annual reports, not that I've done one for a while
> > (sorry-Bob, but there's not been much to report). I could also record
> > when I've made backup copies of observations. OK I'll get more
> > organised, but I won't keep a grand total. The downside can be
> > that in trying to beat your own records the quality of data suffers
> > and you perhaps observe when you shouldn't, affecting your performance
> > at work.
> >
> > Malcolm
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: GeoZay@aol.com
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:42:21 EDT
> > Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Re: Statistics & Stationary Meteors
> >
> > In a message dated 98-10-09 11:16:28 EDT, you write:
> >
> > malcolm<< The downside can be
> > that in trying to beat your own records the quality of data suffers
> > and you perhaps observe when you shouldn't, affecting your performance
> > at work.
> > >>
> >
> > And maybe the quality of data doesn't suffer? Maybe the quality and
quantity
> > of data increases? You learn when to take those effective naps prior to
> > observing. Are you recommending that very active observers should
observe
> > less so that they won't make your efforts look so bad? :o) As for
effecting
> > my performance at work...I haven't seemed to notice any? I find the
niches
> > like most other folks so as not to significantly effect my work
performance.
> > George Zay
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: Werfried Kuneth <kuneth@netway.at>
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:46:57 +0200 (MET DST)
> > Subject: (meteorobs) Draconids peak radio GIFs
> >
> > After processing all the data, the Radio peak here is set to be from
12:50UT
> > to 13:20 UT on Oct 8, 1998 with increasing rates before that and
decreasing
> > rates thereafter.
> >
> > Do you want to see the radio peak? - I have two GIF pictures available
which
> > show the time frame from 11:20 UT - 14:40 UT, with the Draconids peak
coming
> > up and disappearing (200KB). This is no Graph, but the original
recording
> > with time stamps. To get this files please send me direct e-mail, have
no
> > web-site available.
> >
> > Werfried Kuneth
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: Thomas Ashcraft <72632.1427@compuserve.com>
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:11:50 -0400
> > Subject: (meteorobs) Draconids peak radio GIFs
> >
> > - -------------------- Begin Original Message --------------------
> >
> > Message text written by INTERNET:meteorobs@latrade.com
> >
> > "After processing all the data, the Radio peak here is set to be from
> > 12:50UT
> > to 13:20 UT on Oct 8, 1998 with increasing rates before that and
decreasi=
> > ng
> > rates thereafter. =
> >
> > Do you want to see the radio peak? - I have two GIF pictures available
> > which
> > show the time frame from 11:20 UT - 14:40 UT, with the Draconids peak
> > coming
> > up and disappearing (200KB). This is no Graph, but the original
recording=
> >
> > with time stamps. To get this files please send me direct e-mail, have
no=
> >
> > web-site available.
> >
> > Werfried Kuneth"
> >
> > - -------------------- End Original Message --------------------
> >
> > Hi Werfried,
> >
> > Please include me when you send the gifs.
> >
> > I have a good audio tape of the 13oo UT hour, especially from 1314 to
133=
> > 4
> > UT. Very strong activity. But I was not fully awake and mentally tuned
i=
> > n
> > then and didn't expect the radio peak to occur during this period. I
> > thought it was just a combination of sporadics and Draconids. So I had
> > turned on my computer at 1334 which suppressed the meteor reception
> > somewhat. I was preparing for a later peak at 17 or so. Oh well.
There
> > was tropo in any case throughout the remainder of the morning here.
> >
> > Thanks.--Thomas =
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: Malcolm Currie <mjc@ast.star.rl.acdot uk>
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:19:54 +0100 (BST)
> > Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Re: Statistics & Stationary Meteors
> >
> > George Zay wrote in reply to Lew discussing Bob's point-meteor
frequency:
> > > Perhaps if all the Very Short meteors and Stationary meteors were
bright he
> > > would see more? But meteors appear in a variety of magnitudes. I also
find
> > > meteor movement gets my attention for the appearance of a meteor.
Without it,
> > > I think a lot of meteors would be missed?
> >
> > I concur. The angular motion is what makes faint meteors noticeable.
> > One test would be to compare the mean magnitudes of both samples and
> > see if they're statistically significant. My recollection is that most
> > `point meteors' were +1 or brighter.
> >
> > I think the perception of short and point meteors varies considerably
> > from observer to observer. This is based on my experiences in group
> > watches.
> >
> > > If you are looking with your center
> > > of view on a radiant, a lot of shower meteors will often appear very
short.
> > > Combining Very short meteors with relatively dim meteors (such as +4
or +5),
> > > There may not be enough distance for the meteor to have traveled and
be
> > > noticed as a meteor and not some dim star to get one's attention?
This is the
> > > main reason why I prefer to observe about 20-30 degrees from a
radiant.
> >
> > The regulation distance was 40 away in my days a visual observer. The
> > reason why I see higher-than-average number of faint meteors is my
> > fortunate ability to detect faint moving objects across a wide field
> > of view. It's so amazing that I often detect satellites just before
> > they enter the field of view of my telescope. It's spooky. My guess
> > is that's it's some reflection in the Koenig eyepiece stopped down to
> > a 1.25 inch. Now only if I could do that for meteors.
> >
> > > may not be as apt to notice the short dim meteors close to a radiant
as easily
> > > as you would those that would travel a little further along about 30
degrees
> > > away?
> >
> > That sounds eminently plausible to me.
> >
> > Malcolm
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: Michael Doyle <gmike@ccsi.com>
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:45:34 -0500 (CDT)
> > Subject: (meteorobs) Draconids 1998 from Texas
> >
> > Good morning all,
> >
> > Fall weather finally broke through to central Texas on Tuesday -
perfect
> > timing for attempts to observe any possible Giacobinids. Skies clear
of
> > dust and moisture meant Lm's at 5.8 until an hour after the moon rose,
for
> > the direction I was facing.
> >
> > Observe: Michael Doyle
> > Date: Oct. 8/9, 1998 (UT)
> > Location: NW of Bertram, Texas, 98.09 degs.W, 30.78 degs. N
> >
> > UT Teff Lm GIA SPO Field
> > 0011-0111 .92 5.8 0 2 NNW,alt.65 degs. (so radiant included)
> > 0111-0141 .47 5.8 1 3 N,alt.55 degs.
> > 0141-0211 .47 5.7 1 3 NNW,alt.80 degs.
> > 0211-0241 .50 5.2 2 3 NNW,alt.65 degs.
> >
> > -1 0 +1 +2 +3 +4
> > GIA 0 0 2 1 1 0
> > SPO 1 0 2 4 3 1
> >
> > Well, not too spectacular, but at least more successful than the Pi
> > Puppids back in April, of which I saw none (though the summers are hot
> > here in Texas, at least I have a deep southern horizon). This shower
is
> > produced by comet 26P/Grigg-Skjellerup and since it passed perihelion
on
> > Aug. 30, 1997 there was some hope, as for the Giacobinids, that there
> > would be some meteor activity. At least I can observe
P/Giacobini-Zinner
> > at this apparition, which was not the case for Grigg-Skjellerup.
> >
> > Michael Doyle
> > Round Rock, Texas, U.S.A.
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: Lew Gramer <dedalus>
> > Date: Fri, 09 Oct 98 13:08:55 -0400
> > Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Re: Statistics & Stationary Meteors
> >
> > >Are you recommending that very active observers should observe
> > >less so that they won't make your efforts look so bad? :o)
> >
> > Is it now open season on Malcolm for some reason, folks?
> >
> > I thought it was fairly clear from the context that he was referring to
> > his OWN motivations - not anyone else's. But then I'm pretty good with
> > reading English, and perhaps others aren't? No shame in that, George...
> >
> > We're all (happily or otherwise) sleep deprived, so let's take it a bit
> > easier this week with personal comments?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Lew
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: Lew Gramer <dedalus>
> > Date: Fri, 09 Oct 98 13:15:09 -0400
> > Subject: (meteorobs) The 'meteorobs' Web Archive and Information Site
> >
> > Please Note: There is a Searchable Web Archive containing every post to
> > the 'meteorobs' mailing list since early 1996 (now nearly 10,000
posts!)
> >
> > The Web site with the Archive also includes several informational pages
> > describing the list in detail, and giving basic answers to a variety of
> > "Frequently Asked Questions" (FAQ) about meteor observing.
> >
> > Access the site through:
> > http://www.tiacdot net/users/lewkaren/meteorobs
> >
> > Sorry, no "www.meteorobs.org" as of yet! I haven't had the time to deal
> > with NIC naming paperwork - nor money to pay for a virtual domain. :)
> >
> > Clear skies!
> > Lew Gramer
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: Gregory David Stempel <fyrframe@ptinetdot net>
> > Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:16:43 -0700
> > Subject: Re: (meteorobs) novice
> >
> > George
> >
> > Comet? Rats, I hate when I do that._grin I was thinking that anyway.
> >
> > The problem with being a newbie, you have to go through the "stupid
> > comments" period.
> >
> > Still raining here.
> >
> > Thanks George. Take care.
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: Gregory David Stempel <fyrframe@ptinetdot net>
> > Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:54:50 -0700
> > Subject: Re: (meteorobs) The 'meteorobs' Web Archive and Information
Site
> >
> > Lew
> >
> > >>>>a Searchable Web Archive containing every post to
> > the 'meteorobs' mailing list since early 1996 (now nearly 10,000
> > posts!)<<<
> >
> > Yikes! This could make a newbie neophyte like myself nervous_grin
> >
> > Take care
> > Gregory
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: Mohammad Odeh <odehjas@geocities.com>
> > Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 21:12:33 +0200
> > Subject: (meteorobs) 1998 Draconids Metero Shower from Jordan.
> >
> > Hello Again,
> >
> > Now u can see our detailed report of the 22nd Astronomical Camping
for
> > JAS, which was devoted to observe the Draconids meteor Shower. It
> > contains both; our visual and radio observation.
> >
> > The report can be reached at:
> > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1092/dra98.html
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Moh'd
> > - --
> > **********************************************************************
> > Mohammad Shawkat Odeh.
> > Jordanian Astronomical Society (JAS).
> > Member of JAS Administrative Board.
> > Head of Radio-Astronomy Committee.
> > odehjas@geocities.com
> > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1092/index.html (Personal URL)
> > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1092/jas.html (JAS URL)
> > *******X-Mozilla-Status: 0009*****************************************
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: Mark Mikutis <perseus1@pcpartnerdot net>
> > Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 15:08:40 -0500
> > Subject: (meteorobs) Draconid observations on 10/8-9/98
> >
> > Last night I was able to get out for a few hours to watch the Draconid
> > meteor shower. This was the first time I have ever watched this shower.
I
> > was not sure what to expect. I observed from 00:45 UT to 02:45 UT on
> > October 8/9, 1998 and saw 9 Draconids and 5 Sporadics during 2 hours
Teff.
> > The majority were around magnitude 2. I did see one meteor of magnitude
-3
> > with a train of approx. 4.5 secs! Its flight covered nearly 50 degrees.
It
> > was beautiful!!! I will certainly mark this shower down on my calendar
for
> > next year. Moonrise washed me out at 02:18 UT, but those 2 hours were
> > certainly enjoyable.
> >
> > Clear Skies (and no moon),
> >
> > Mark Mikutis
> > E-mail: perseus1@pcpartnerdot net
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: Lew Gramer <dedalus>
> > Date: Fri, 09 Oct 98 16:28:46 -0400
> > Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Draconid observations on 10/8-9/98
> >
> > Thanks for sharing your logs, Mark - sounds like you had a great
> > night's observing, especially compared to some other poor clouded
> > out sots here in the US (like me)! :)
> >
> > >I will certainly mark this shower on my calendar for next year.
> >
> > Alas, the elusive Draconids are what is known as a "periodic" (as
> > opposed to an "annual") shower: they seem to only appear in years
> > when their parent body, Comet Giacobini-Zinner is near perihelion!
> > (Although I did just hear this year that some observing groups do
> > report very low ZHRs for this shower in occasional off years...)
> >
> > Which brings up an interesting question: how many other periodic
> > meteor showers are there? In other words, showers which are not
> > even perceptible as *minor* showers in their off years, but yet
> > which are still known or predicted to return in the years ahead?
> >
> > The Bielids/Andromedids are long dead (we believe). The Alpha
> > Monocerotids, Pi Puppids, and other "outburst showers" ARE still
> > perceptible in off years, albeit they are very minor then. But
> > what showers other than the GIAs do we know of that are neither
> > "extinct" NOR annual?
> >
> > Clear skies!
> > Lew
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: Wa3flr@aol.com
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:40:57 EDT
> > Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Clouded Out
> >
> > In a message dated 98-10-08 22:14:43 EDT, you write:
> >
> > << Here in South Jersey we've been watching Jupiter and Pallas all
week...with
> > a
> > sporadic here and there but tonite we're watching buckets and buckets
of rain
> > coming down...glad it was better in Europe and Asia.
> >
> > Fred Mason
> > Atlantic Community College
> > capnjeep@worldnet.attdot net
> >
> > Mark Davis wrote:
> >
> > > Just returned from a quiet drive home after getting rained out. It
never
> > did
> > > clear up completely, except out over the ocean. Unfortunately
thunderstorms
> > > moved in from the west and dumped a lot of rain.
> > >
> > > Will try again tomorrow night...
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >>
> >
> > 8/9 Oct clouded over with heavy rain at times in Western Pennsylvania.
It
> > does not look very well for the 9/10 either. <sniff-sniff>
> >
> > Terry WA3FLR
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: Mark Mikutis <perseus1@pcpartnerdot net>
> > Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 15:38:58 -0500
> > Subject: (meteorobs) Radius of shower Radiant points
> >
> > Could someone please help me out?
> >
> > I am trying to find the radius of a couple of shower radiant points
for:
> >
> > Draconid/Giacobinids
> >
> > Orionids
> >
> > I have looked all over for this info, but I have not been able to find
it.
> > I suspect it may be listed in some Appendix, but I do not have much
written
> > material available.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark Mikutis
> > E-mail:perseus1@pcpartnerdot net
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: star8894@webtvdot net (Fred & Gail Weber)
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:14:53 -0400 (EDT)
> > Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Clouded Out
> >
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> > Fred
> > I was just telling Fred from SJAC the same thing. This usually
> > happens to us during the Perseids. Maybe next time.
> > Clear skies(not here)
> > Fred 8-(
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> > Oct 1998 16:46:58 -0400
> > From: Wa3flr@aol.com
> > Message-Id: <324f6207.361e74d9@aol.com>
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:40:57 EDT
> > To: meteorobs@latrade.com
> > Mime-Version: 1.0
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> >
> > In a message dated 98-10-08 22:14:43 EDT, you write:
> >
> > << Here in South Jersey we've been watching Jupiter and Pallas all
week...with
> > a
> > sporadic here and there but tonite we're watching buckets and buckets
of rain
> > coming down...glad it was better in Europe and Asia.
> >
> > Fred Mason
> > Atlantic Community College
> > capnjeep@worldnet.attdot net
> >
> > Mark Davis wrote:
> >
> > > Just returned from a quiet drive home after getting rained out. It
never
> > did
> > > clear up completely, except out over the ocean. Unfortunately
thunderstorms
> > > moved in from the west and dumped a lot of rain.
> > >
> > > Will try again tomorrow night...
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >>
> >
> > 8/9 Oct clouded over with heavy rain at times in Western Pennsylvania.
It
> > does not look very well for the 9/10 either. <sniff-sniff>
> >
> > Terry WA3FLR
> >
> > - --WebTV-Mail-1348512258-245--
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: Lew Gramer <dedalus>
> > Date: Fri, 09 Oct 98 17:31:40 -0400
> > Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Radius of shower Radiant points
> >
> > Mark, the annual "IMO Meteor Shower Calendar" has radiant sizes,
> > but only for *featured* showers of that year. However, both the
> > GIAs and ORIs happen to be featured in this year's! See:
> > http://www.imodot net/calendar/cal98.html
> >
> > (The GIAs are listed as having a 5o radius, the ORIs as 10o! But
> > note that the appropriate radiant size to assume depends on your
> > meteor's distance from that radiant, due to alignment error...)
> >
> > NOTE: The IMO site also already has a nice summary of this year's
> > Draconid activity, in the often-updated "News and Events" page at:
> > http://www.imodot net/news/news.html
> >
> > Clear skies!
> > Lew
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: star8894@webtvdot net (Fred & Gail Weber)
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:38:43 -0400 (EDT)
> > Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Radius of shower Radiant points
> >
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> > Mark
> > Don't know if this is what your looking for but you might try it
by
> > clicking the month you want, then click on the shower you want. I
> > believe it gves you the radii.
> > http://medinfo.wustldot edu/~kronkg/index.html This is part of Gary
> > Kronk's website of Comets & Meteors. Good luck.
> > Clear skies(not here)
> > Fred 8-(
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> > Oct 1998 16:49:57 -0400
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> > Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 15:38:58 -0500
> > To: meteorobs@latrade.com
> > From: Mark Mikutis <perseus1@pcpartnerdot net>
> > Subject: (meteorobs) Radius of shower Radiant points
> > Mime-Version: 1.0
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> >
> > Could someone please help me out?
> >
> > I am trying to find the radius of a couple of shower radiant points
for:
> >
> > Draconid/Giacobinids
> >
> > Orionids
> >
> > I have looked all over for this info, but I have not been able to find
it.
> > I suspect it may be listed in some Appendix, but I do not have much
written
> > material available.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark Mikutis
> > E-mail:perseus1@pcpartnerdot net
> >
> >
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > End of meteorobs-digest V1 #769
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