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Re: (meteorobs) Re: Best Time to See the Leonids



Lew queried, in his cloud tainted way: :->

>And that raises yet another question! :) Thanks to a shallow ecliptic
>angle at London's latitude, the LEO radiant at this year's max rises
>VERY slowly: between 10 and 11pm, it's elevation goes from -1o to 6o.
>Assuming a constant meteor storm(!!) of 1 meteor per second through-
>out that hour, how slowly would the perceived rate increase?

To put it succintly, as I understand it, who knows!
As you well know, correcting rates for radiant elevation is a messy enough 
process when the radiant is higher...most correctors really only crunch the 
numbers for elevations greater than 20 degrees....using a set of 
assumptions that are valid at reasonable angles. (such as atmomospheric 
extinction, hiding behind the horizon, area of meteor height covered by 
your field of view, etc). However, again in the big yellow book, below 20 
degrees, the validity of those assumtions is suspect. I believe (and I 
could be wrong) that the IMO does not use data with elevations below 20 
degrees for calculating ZHR due to the "nonlinear" extension of those 
corrections. IOW, while we can make some reasonable assumtions above that 
height, below there too many unknowns to make reliable corrections; hence 
the inverse, trying to predict rates with a known ZHR would be just as 
unreliable. If you want to get in the ballpark, you can just run the ZHR 
corrections in reverse with those radiant elevations, but the accuracy of 
those predictions would probably be MUCH worse than usual.
	I'm sure some others will expand this discussion, so since I don't 
have my references in front of me, I'll stop now before I get in too 
deep...perhaps when I have the papers in front of me I'll throw out some of 
the theory in more detail.

Wayne