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meteorobs-digest       Wednesday, March 24 1999       Volume 03 : Number 001




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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 99 17:50:40 -0500
From: Lew Gramer <dedalus@latrade.com>
Subject: (meteorobs) Testing AGAIN - please ignore...

Pardon our dust.

Lew
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:56:51 -0500
From: Lew Gramer & Karen Simmons <lewkaren@tiacdot net>
Subject: (meteorobs) Testing a-one a-two

Okeh, boyss, let's zee if a-this a-works...

(Please ignore - I've been testing this for three hours!)


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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 04:07:40 -0500
From: Lew Gramer & Karen Simmons <lewkaren@tiacdot net>
Subject: (meteorobs) Testing possible new meteor list - RSVP ASAP

Hi, PLEASE reply to this message if/when you receive it. Your response
will help me in an attempt to reestablish 'meteorobs' on another host.

Thanks,
Lew Gramer


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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 07:09:03 -0600
From: kronkg@medicine.wustldot edu (Gary W. Kronk)
Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Testing possible new meteor list - RSVP ASAP

Got your message, Lew!

Gary


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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:16:46 -0800
From: Robert Lunsford <lunro.imo.usa@prodigy.com>
Subject: (meteorobs) Re: To test a mailing list

I got it!!!

Bob

Lew Gramer & Karen Simmons wrote:
> 
> Hi, PLEASE reply to this message if/when you receive it. Your response
> will help me in an attempt to reestablish 'meteorobs' on another host.
> 
> Thanks,
> Lew Gramer
> 
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:50:02 -0500
From: Lew Gramer & Karen Simmons <lewkaren@tiacdot net>
Subject: (meteorobs) SECOND test of possible new meteor list - RSVP ASAP

Hi, PLEASE reply to this message if/when you receive it. Your response
will help me in an attempt to reestablish 'meteorobs' on another host.

Thanks,
Lew Gramer


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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:08:38 -0500
From: Lew Gramer & Karen Simmons <lewkaren@tiacdot net>
Subject: (meteorobs) TEST - please ignore

Not quite there yet. Just ignore this message...

Frustrated Lew


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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:17:47 -0500
From: Lew Gramer & Karen Simmons <lewkaren@tiacdot net>
Subject: (meteorobs) Yet a THIRD time... Please ignore!

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:25:21 -0800
From: Robert Lunsford <lunro.imo.usa@prodigy.com>
Subject: (meteorobs) Re: Test

Lew,

I received this one too!

Bob

Lew Gramer & Karen Simmons wrote:
> 
> Hi, PLEASE reply to this message if/when you receive it. Your response
> will help me in an attempt to reestablish 'meteorobs' on another host.
> 
> Thanks,
> Lew Gramer
> 
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 99 8:41:12 EST
From: "Wayne T Hally" <wayne.t.hally@bangate.tek.com>
Subject: re: (meteorobs) Testing possible new meteor list - RSVP ASAP

I got it Monday morning when I logged in at work.

WxWayne

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:17:40 -0500 (EST)
From: "C.L. Hall" <chall@cyberusdot ca>
Subject: re: (meteorobs) Testing possible new meteor list - RSVP ASAP

Wayne/Lew -

Got the test message!!!!!  Monday afternoon here, 4.16 pm

- - Cathy


At 08:41 AM 3/22/99 EST, you wrote:
>I got it Monday morning when I logged in at work.
>
>WxWayne
>
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 99 17:00:21 -0500
From: Lew Gramer <dedalus@latrade.com>
Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Testing possible new meteor list - RSVP ASAP 

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWESOME... We're almost there. ;>

Lew


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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 99 17:20:20 EST
From: "Wayne T Hally" <wayne.t.hally@bangate.tek.com>
Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Testing possible new meteor list - RSVP ASAP

aLMOST HERE? :->

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 99 14:48:44 -0500
From: Lew Gramer <dedalus@latrade.com>
Subject: (meteorobs) The 'meteorobs' Mailing List has *MOVED*

As many of you have noticed, the 'meteorobs' list has been unavailable for two
weeks or so. This was due to resource conflicts between MajorDomo and the
corporate computers at my firm. As a result, I was forced to find another home
for 'meteorobs', and for the other key lists hosted at my firm's domain.

Now thanks to generous support from Brewster LaMacchia, whose firm 'Jovian.com'
makes tools and systems for real time DSP software development, our lists have
been successfully relocated! Henceforth please note that the address of the NAMN
Meteor Observing list is 'meteorobs@jovian.com'.

Please take a moment now to change all your personal mail aliases for this list
to use this domain. And if you wish to automatically subscribe or unsubscribe,
*PLEASE* use the new MajorDomo address 'majordomo@jovian.com'. Note finally that
the 'meteorobs' Web Archive is still available at the usual Web site:

        http://www.tiacdot net/users/lewkaren/meteorobs


If you have any questions about this move, or anything else to do with these
lists, please don't hesitate to email me at 'owner-meteorobs@jovian.com'.

Thank you VERY much for your patience... Now talk amongst yourselves. :)

- --
Lew Gramer
owner-meteorobs@jovian.com
owner-netastrocatalog@jovian.com
owner-netastrocatalog-announce@jovian.com
owner-nsaac@jovian.com

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:31:38 -0500
From: Bruce Patterson <brucep@mnsidot net>
Subject: Re: (meteorobs) The 'meteorobs' Mailing List has *MOVED*

Lew
Does this mean that we all have to manually resubscribe to meteorobs or
will the current list of subscribers be transferred over to the new
host?

Clear Skies

Bruce

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 99 17:43:31 -0500
From: Lew Gramer <dedalus@latrade.com>
Subject: Re: (meteorobs) The 'meteorobs' Mailing List has *MOVED*

NOTE: If you received the above-mentioned announcement, then you are by
definition already resubscribed to the "new" mailing list, as I sent the
announcement via that list... If anyone hears of another person who has NOT
received the announcement, please let me know at once! Thanks,

- -- 
Lew Gramer
owner-meteorobs@jovian.com
owner-netastrocatalog@jovian.com
owner-netastrocatalog-announce@jovian.com
owner-nsaac@jovian.com


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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:11:10 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <ko0u@os.com>
Subject: Re: (meteorobs) The 'meteorobs' Mailing List has *MOVED*

At 05:31 PM 3/23/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Lew
>Does this mean that we all have to manually resubscribe to meteorobs or
>will the current list of subscribers be transferred over to the new
>host?
>
>Clear Skies
>
>Bruce

Guess that answers that.... :o)) And TNX, Lew, for getting us back in
"print" again! Hope your Florida vacation was good...

Clear Skies,

SteveH
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:31:28 EST
From: JosieCaat@aol.com
Subject: Re: (meteorobs) The 'meteorobs' Mailing List has *MOVED*

Thanks Lew for getting us another peg to hang our hats on.  I was just
beginning to have 'meteorobs' withdrawal  :-)

Best wishes to all,

Josie
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:36:08 -0500
From: Mark Davis <MeteorObs@charlestondot net>
Subject: Re: (meteorobs) The 'meteorobs' Mailing List has *MOVED*

Thanks for all the work Lew!! Glad to see it back up and running....just in
time for "April showers"...... ;)

mark

>
>As many of you have noticed, the 'meteorobs' list has been unavailable for
two
>weeks or so. This was due to resource conflicts between MajorDomo and the
>corporate computers at my firm. As a result, I was forced to find another
home
>for 'meteorobs', and for the other key lists hosted at my firm's domain.
>
>Now thanks to generous support from Brewster LaMacchia, whose firm
'Jovian.com'
>makes tools and systems for real time DSP software development, our lists
have
>been successfully relocated! Henceforth please note that the address of the
NAMN
>Meteor Observing list is 'meteorobs@jovian.com'.
>
>Please take a moment now to change all your personal mail aliases for this
list
>to use this domain. And if you wish to automatically subscribe or
unsubscribe,
>*PLEASE* use the new MajorDomo address 'majordomo@jovian.com'. Note finally
that
>the 'meteorobs' Web Archive is still available at the usual Web site:
>
>        http://www.tiacdot net/users/lewkaren/meteorobs
>
>
>If you have any questions about this move, or anything else to do with
these
>lists, please don't hesitate to email me at 'owner-meteorobs@jovian.com'.
>
>Thank you VERY much for your patience... Now talk amongst yourselves. :)
>
>--
>Lew Gramer
>owner-meteorobs@jovian.com
>owner-netastrocatalog@jovian.com
>owner-netastrocatalog-announce@jovian.com
>owner-nsaac@jovian.com
>
>To UNSUBSCRIBE from the 'meteorobs' email list, use the Web form at:
>http://www.tiacdot net/users/lewkaren/meteorobs/subscribe.html

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:57:47 -0500
From: stargazer@naxs.com (George W. Kelley, Jr.)
Subject: RE: (meteorobs)   Radiant rising time

Hello all:  Sometime ago, before the recent difficulty struck Meteorbs, 
someone asked about the rising time of the radiant for the Leonids next 
November.    That time, or the rising time of any other radiant can be 
determined using the share ware planetarium-type program "Sky Globe."   The 
one requisite is that you must have the geographical coordinates for your 
observing site entered into the program before you watch the radiant rise 
over the horizon as you advance the time and spin the radiant into view. 
 An added benefit of this graphical solution to the problem is that another 
of the many features of Sky Globe will allow you to determine if the moon 
is in the sky when the radiant is rising.

Many thanks Lew and all others involved, for putting Meterobs "back on the 
air."

George Kelley




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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:05:44 -0500
From: Pierre Martin <p.martin@cyberusdot ca>
Subject: (meteorobs) Observation Mar 19/20 1999

Hello,

Last Friday March 19, I headed out to Casselman for almost 3 hours teff of
meteor observing. I observed from 5:30 to 9:35 UT (00:30-4:35 local). Skies
were clear for the entire period with an average limiting magnitude of 6.2.
There was some thin haze near the horizons at the beginning, but not enough
to interfere and this dissipated later on. It began at a comfortable -9C,
but winds eventually picked up. As my site lies in a wide open area, the
windchill made it feel much colder. At one point, I decided to nap for one
hour, resulting with a break from 7:15 to 8:15 UT.

Activity was actually not bad, and much better than expected for a March
night. There were 11 meteors the first hour. Also in the first hour,
between 6:02-6:06, there were TWO occasions of 2 meteors within 20 seconds.
Plotting was a little tricky for those. There was only one lull between
6:41-7:15 when none were seen. No Virginids recorded, all are listed as
sporadics. Although one of them came close to the VIR radiant, it now seems
unacceptably far after checking the plot.

During my transcribing the data, I rechecked my plots to see if anything
would align from  Gary Kronks minor showers. Interestingly, there were 3
meteors intersecting very close to the Eta Draconids radiant (16:00 +60).
They ranged in velocity from slow to medium-fast. There were also 2 medium
speed meteors aligning with the Beta Leonids (12:20 +17).

Summary of my data below.

Pierre Martin
Ottawa, Ontario



DATE: March 19/20 1999
BEGIN: 5:30 UT (00:30 EST)  END: 9:35 UT (4:35 EST)
OBSERVER: Pierre Martin (MARPI)
LOCATION: Long: -75.063 West; Lat: 45.269 North  Elevation:100m
City & Province: Casselman, Ontario, CANADA
RECORDING METHOD: talking watch/tape recorder
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------

OBSERVING PERIODS: 0 = none seen;    / = shower not watched.

PERIOD(UT)    FIELD   Teff   F      LM    SPO
5:30-6:35     SE60    1.00   1.00   6.19   11
6:35-7:15     "       0.65   1.00   6.2     2
8:15-9:35     "	      1.26   1.00   6.19    7
- -------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:               2.91                 20
- -------------------------------------------------------

MAGNITUDE DISTRIBUTIONS:

SHOWER  1   2   3   4   5

SPO     2   3   3   9   3
- --------------------------

SKY OBSCURED: none
- --------------------------

Total dead time: 10.5 minutes
Dead time plots: 16 plots --> total time plotting: 9 minutes
Breaks: 5:42 (30sec), 7:15-8:15, 8:32 (1min)
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------

REMARKS

1) Meteors #8,10,19 possible Eta Draconids (Kronk) near 16:00 +60
2) Meteors #5,6 possible Beta Leonids (Kronk) near 12:20 +17
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:00:07 -0500
From: Philip Gebhardt <pgebhardt@compuserve.com>
Subject: (meteorobs) Meteor Detection Test

As well as subscribing to this list, I am the project leader of the Ontario
DX Association's Meteor Detection Group. We are currently working on a
project for which we need the assistance of U.S. amateur radio operators as
well as anyone else who is willing to listen for our radio test signals.

The experiment will involve two Canadian amateur radio stations--VE3ACK in
Trenton, Ontario and XL3D in Zephyr, Ontario. To further identify the
stations, we hope to operate one station using female operators and the
other station using male operators. Each station will use a 1 kW amplifier
and a 3-element yagi. The two stations will be used to conduct a space
diversity test involving signals reflected by ionized meteor trails. The
stations will transmit simultaneously on 28.610 MHz (28610 kHz). Both
stations will beam the signal approximately south. Our primary target area
is enclosed by a westerly boundary line running from Toronto, Ontario
through Altanta, Georgia and down to the Gulf of Mexico; the easterly
boundary line runs from Toronto and intersects the North Carolina-South
Carolina state lines at the point where they reach the Atlantic Ocean and
then it continues southeastward into the Atlantic. However, we would be
pleased to hear from anyone who hears us outside this area. The test will
occur on Thursday, April 22--the peak day for the Lyrid meteor shower. The
calculated time for the radio peak is 1330 UTC. To allow for slight errors
in the calculation, we will begin testing 3 hours earlier at 1030 UTC. For
the same reasons, it is also possible that the peak will occur after 1330
UTC, so unless it becomes clear that we have reached the peak, we will
continue the test until 1630 UTC.

To help us with our test in April, we are looking for U.S. club or
individual stations which have a 1 kW amplifier and a beam antenna. Because
of the duration of the test, we have found from past experience that a
single station is best operated by two or three operators who operate in
shifts. Both Canadian stations will attempt to make contact with
participating U.S. stations. A record of received signals will be
maintained to determine how many meteors were common to both Canadian
stations. For this reason, we would ask U.S. amateur radio operators who
hear us but do not make contact to send a reception report. If you are not
a licensed amateur radio operator, we will welcome reception reports from
you.

Over the last several years the Meteor Detection Group has conducted
several experiments involving the radio detection of meteors. We have
conducted receive-only experiments on 14.670 MHz using the 5 kW time signal
from CHU in Ottawa, Ontario. To determine the possibility of using meteor
scatter propagation on the 10-, 15- and 20-meter amateur bands, last year
we successfully concluded 2-way tests on the 10-meter band with VA3EG in
Trenton and VE3SRE in Toronto from our test site in Ajax, Ontario. This
test was a short distance test using sporadic meteors (as opposed to the
shower meteors we plan to use in the long distance test this April). The
Meteor Detection Group has also been conducting tests to study the
relationship between visual and radio meteors. Several antenna-based tests
are currently underway.

The Ontario DX Association is a group of amateur radio operators and radio
enthusiasts (including shortwave listeners and FM and TV DXers). The ODXA
has been active for 25 years and includes members mainly in Ontario, but
also throughout Canada and the United States.

If you would like to participate or need further information, you can
contact me by telephone at 905-430-8201 (days) or 905-683-0330 (evenings);
by fax at 905-430-6884 or 905-683-8122; or by e-mail at
pgebhardt@compuserve.com

I look forward to hearing from you and hope that you can assist us in
successfully conducting our experiment.

P.S. Glad to see things are back to 'normal,' Lew. Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:17:42 -0500
From: Mark Davis <MeteorObs@charlestondot net>
Subject: Re: (meteorobs)   Radiant rising time

I use a similar program, Redshift, to do the same type of calculations. It
is a commercial software package that I paid $49.00 for I believe. The
coordinates of the observer are entered via a "counter" in a small, moveable
box. I entered mine as the default, but can "roll" the counter to change the
coordinates to any place on Earth. It also calculates the rise and set times
of the moon, and produces a report which I print out the first of each
month.

- -Mark

George Kelley wrote:

>That time, or the rising time of any other radiant can be
>determined using the share ware planetarium-type program "Sky Globe."
>The one requisite is that you must have the geographical coordinates for
>your observing site entered into the program before you watch the radiant
>rise over the horizon as you advance the time and spin the radiant into
>view.




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