I've also seen a -8 Lyrid fireball, although I've not observed the Lyrids that often. This was in the late 70's and I got 3 photos of the enduring train over the following 2 minutes. Actually I didn't see it! It lit up the ground. Robert H. McNaught rmn@aaocbn.aaodot gov.au To UNSUBSCRIBE from the 'meteorobs' email list, use the Web form at: http://www.tiacdot net/users/lewkaren/meteorobs/subscribe.html