Sounds like zodical light prior to sunrise to me. Esp. on the morning of the 17th of Nov. the "light spike" for me in the ESE rose to 50 degrees plus around that time! Regards, Bert M. Overland Park KS The archive and Web site for our list is at http://www.meteorobs.org To stop getting all email from the 'meteorobs' lists, use our Webform: http://www.meteorobs.org/subscribe.html