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Subject: meteorobs-digest V4 #1055
>
> meteorobs-digest Wednesday, December 18 2002 Volume 04 : Number
1055
>
>
>
> (meteorobs) Geminids from Belgium
> (meteorobs) Geminids from Brazil
> Re: (meteorobs) Re: Geminids in Jakarta, Indonesia
> Re: (meteorobs) Re: Geminids in Jakarta, Indonesia
> (meteorobs) Observations from India.
> (meteorobs) Re: Geminid Report[?]
> (meteorobs) Re: Telescope types
> Re: (meteorobs) Geminids casual obs ( South Australia )
> Re: (meteorobs) Re: Geminids in Jakarta, Indonesia
> Re: (meteorobs) Beginner telescope recommendation?
> Re: (meteorobs) Beginner telescope recommendation?
> Re: (meteorobs) Beginner telescope recommendation?
> Re: (meteorobs) Beginner telescope recommendation?
> (meteorobs) Geminids observed in Malacca, Malaysia
> (meteorobs) Geminid Visual FLASH Report over JAPAN
> Re: (meteorobs) Re: Geminids in Jakarta, Indonesia
>
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>
> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:32:40 +0100
> From: "Kermaz sarl" <kermaz@wanadoodot be>
> Subject: (meteorobs) Geminids from Belgium
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> Here is the first page of a serie of three on multiple meteor echoe. Does
> anyone have such records in his files to compare ?
>
> Does anyone heard about a possible daytime fireball above Germany the
> 15/12/02 between 11:15 and 11:25 UTC ?
> http://web.wanadoodot be/merlin/doppler.htm
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> John ON4EU (Belgium)
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> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:53:54 -0200
> From: "R Gregio" <gregio@dglnet.com.br>
> Subject: (meteorobs) Geminids from Brazil
>
> GEMINIDEOS DECEMBER 13/14/15 2002 REPORTES (Informal)
>
> I particularly swim I could observe of the shower of meteors Geminds due
to
> the bad atmospheric conditions of my area (Mococa/SP - Brazil).
> But, some friends sent me its reportes that I transcribe to proceed and
none
> of them participates in Meteorobs-list :
>
> REPORT OF OBSERVATION - METEOROS GEMINDS
> Type of Observation: visual
>
> Local: Sobral / CE - Brazil (3 41 10 N, 20 40 59 W)
> Date: of 14 /15 of December 2002
> Hour: 00:00 to 01:00 (01:00 to 02:00 schedule of summer (-2) - 02:00 UT
>
> I number of observed meteors: 45 in one hour.
> Color: white and yellow
> Magnitude: 80% mag. between 3 and 4, 10% mag. between 2 and 3, 10% between
1
> and 2
> (medium percentages)
> Trajectory: almost everybody dropping for the directions North and
Northeast
> Speed: High
> Atmospheric conditions: 100% clean, cloudless.
> The amount of meteors can have been larger but there was close to the
place
> of observation LP in a ray of 10 meters (posts), more the Moon in Aries
with
> about 70% of its illuminated face.
>
> Saulo M. Filho
> Observatory Henrique Morize
> Museum of the Eclipse
> Sobral / CE - Brazil
>
> - ----------
>
> 2 - REPORT OF OBSERVATION - RAIN OF METEOROS GEMIDS
>
> Type of Observation: Radio Meteor
>
> As my observations the total of meteors per hour reached an average of 50,
> measure in the period between 02:00 UTC and 04:30 UTC, when I was trying a
> contact direct radio in the strip of 144 MHz with a colleague amateur
radio
> of it Castrates Town, in to South Africa.
> That strip of VHF needs of many reflections in meteorites - and this went
to
> best than I witnessed in my 32 years of radio amateurism!
> A colleague ours of Londrina, Paraná, listened my reflected signs of a
close
> distance to 2000 km, at the same time in that got to listen brief (even so
> confirmed) signs of that other south-African colleague - Chris (ZR1L),
also
> with reflection characteristics in meteorites. Myself recorded 32
sequences
> of signs of that colleague, that it is at a distance of 6500 km. (It is
> notorious that the geometry and the altitude of the you burn of meteorites
> they impose a theoretical maximum limit of reflection about of 2000-2200
km,
> however I am already there are months trying a transoceanic contact in
that
> strip (he/she saw tropo refraction) and I can affirm it that the
reflections
> in the meteorites helped - and a lot!)
> In GG66SH they were received from this time 36 sequences in FSK441. The
> strip of 2 meters is seeming a Swiss cheese of so many pings of
> meteors!
> Finally, they are just given vacated but I think can have some value
> for another similar experiences.
>
> Note: Once again I renew my gratefulness for its attention and
gracefulness,
> reiterating my request so that sends me - whenever possible - yours very
> useful efemerids and reports of observations. This informal partner - even
> so very profitable - it is clear demonstration that interested citizens
and
> specialists can produce surprising results and even of great usefulness
for
> the community.
>
> - -Station PY2ANE - operated by Orlando L. Costa Neto - Raicho Grande (Big
> Stream), SP - Brazil,
> py2ane@uol.com.br
> - -cc. Flávio " Ark " Archangelo (PY2ZX)
> py2zx@terra.com.br
> - -Station PY5EW (operated by André - Maringá, PR - Brazil)
>
> - ----------
>
> I take advantage of to want to all the hunters of dispersed meteorobs for
> the world, votes of Merry Christmas and a New Year with health, peace and
> replete of success!!!
>
> Celestial hugs, clean skies!
>
> R.Gregio
> Mococa - SP - Lat.21.27.54S Long.47.00.21W
> gregio@dglnet.com.br
> http://intermega.com.br/astromanual/
> http://www.constelacoes.hpg.com.br
> http://membro.intermega.com.br/rgregio/
> http://www.geocities.com/alnitack_br/
> http://membro.intermega.com.br/fenomenos/
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>
> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:11:44 -0500
> From: "Robert McNaught" <rmn@murky.anudot edu.au>
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Re: Geminids in Jakarta, Indonesia
>
> > > We use the Australian almanac/yearbook made by Quasar Publishing
called
> > > "A Practical guide to the night sky"
> > > <http://www.quasarastronomy.com.au/default.htm> for our meteor shower
> > > info... they've never let us down and we've been using it since '95
> > > (they were the only ones in the Australian media that got the '98
> > > leonid fireball peak just right *17th* ( 16th UT ).
>
> There is no basis to this. Unless a prediction has some theoretical
> justification you can't say that one prediction out of many that just
> happens to be right proves anything about that prediction. It might
> just have been an error that happened to be correct!
>
> Basically unrelated, but two comets have been discovered by observers
> pointing there telescopes where they expected to find a comet, finding it,
> then noting that their coordinates were wrong. Mistakes can appear to
> be correct.
>
> Cheers, Rob
>
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> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:26:22 +1100 (EST)
> From: Robert McNaught <rmn@murky.anudot edu.au>
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Re: Geminids in Jakarta, Indonesia
>
> > Basically unrelated, but two comets have been discovered by observers
> > pointing there telescopes where they expected to find a comet, finding
it,
> > then noting that their coordinates were wrong. Mistakes can appear to
> > be correct.
>
> That should read "where they expected to find a known comet"
>
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> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:32:22 -0500
> From: "nilesh puntambekar" <nv_puntambekar@yahoo.com>
> Subject: (meteorobs) Observations from India.
>
> Note: Nilesh is not a current 'meteorobs' reader. If you reply,
> please MANUALLY put 'nv_puntambekar@yahoo.com' in your "Cc:"!
>
> Clear skies,
> Lew Gramer <owner-meteorobs@atmob.org>
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:08:02 -0800 (PST)
> > To: rarlt@aipdot de, visual@imodot net
> > Cc: imo-news@yahoogroups.com, meteorobs@atmob.org
> >
> > Hello Rainer,
> > Sending observations taken from Sanhyadri Highschool,
> > PUNE INDIA.
> >
> > Please let me know if text file is readable properly
> > or not.
> >
> > Thanks & Regards,
> >
> >
> > =====
> > Mr. Nilesh V. Puntambekar
> > 202, shukrawar peth ,
> > pune-411002
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> > Geminids Meteor shower 2002.
> >
> > Visual Observations - Summery Report.
> >
> > Date : 14-15/12/2002.
> > Begin : 17:50 hr U.T.
> > End : 22:50 hr U.T.
> > Country : INDIA.
> > Location long. :73.46' latit. : 18.59'
> > Other Identification Of Site : Sanhyadri Highschool,Rajgurunagar.
> >
> >
> > Shower: GEM. Alpha = 112, delta = +33
> >
> > Observer's Name : Kulkarni Rhishikesh.
> > IMO Code : KULRH
> >
> > Period(UT) Field Teff F LM GEM Spor. Tot.
> > Alfa Delta H m M | N M | N
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> > 18:10 to 88.5 +08 0.5 1 4.86 C 7 C 0 7
> > 18:40
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> > 20:40 to 135 0 1 1 5.3 C 33 C 7 40
> > 21:40
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> > Total 40 7 47
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
> > Magnitude distribution.
> >
> > Shower -6 |-5 |-4 |-3 |-2 |-1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 |4 tot.
> > GEM 1 1 1 3 1 7
> > GEM 2 4 5 0 19 2 1 33
> >
> > Spo 3 1 3 7
> > ________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > Observer's Name : Puntambekar Nilesh.
> > IMO Code : PUNNI
> >
> >
> > Period(UT) Field Teff F LM GEM Spor. Tot.
> > Alfa Delta H m M | N M | N
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> > 18:05 to 88.5 +08 1 1 4.73 C 26 C 2 28
> > 19:05
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> > 20:35 to 125 -5 0.5 1 5.0 C 14 C 0 14
> > 22:05
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> > Total 40 2 42
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
> > Magnitude distribution.
> >
> > Shower -6 |-5 |-4 |-3 |-2 |-1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 |4 tot.
> > GEM 2 1 0 7 6 7 3 26
> > GEM 1 0 2 5 5 1 14
> >
> > Spo 1 0 1 2
> > ________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > Observer's Name : Kate Ashish
> > IMO Code : KATAS
> >
> >
> > Period(UT) Field Teff F LM GEM Spor. Tot.
> > Alfa Delta H m M | N M | N
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> > 18:00 to 88.5 +08 1 1 4.3 C 11 C 1 12
> > 19:00
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> > Total 11 1 13
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
> > Magnitude distribution.
> >
> > Shower -6 |-5 |-4 |-3 |-2 |-1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 |4 tot.
> > GEM 1 2 3 2 3 11
> >
> >
> > Spo 1 1
> > ________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
> > Observer's Name : Gokhle Madhura
> > IMO Code : GOKMA
> >
> >
> > Period(UT) Field Teff F LM GEM Spor. Tot.
> > Alfa Delta H m M | N M | N
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> > 19:15 to 125 -5 1 1 5.12 C 20 C 6 26
> > 20:15
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> > Total 20 6 26
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Magnitude distribution.
> >
> > Shower -6 |-5 |-4 |-3 |-2 |-1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 |4 tot.
> > GEM 1 1 3 4 3 4 4 20
> >
> >
> > Spo 3 1 0 1 1 6
> > ________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > Observer's Name : Modani Amruta.
> > IMO Code : MODAM
> >
> >
> > Period(UT) Field Teff F LM GEM Spor. Tot.
> > Alfa Delta H m M | N M | N
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> > 17:50 to 88.5 +08 1 1 4.6 C 12 C 5 17
> > 18:50
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> > 21:15 to 135 00 0.75 1 5.4 C 08 C 2 10
> > 22:00
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> > Total 20 7 27
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
> > Magnitude distribution.
> >
> > Shower -6 |-5 |-4 |-3 |-2 |-1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 |4 tot.
> > GEM 2 1 1 4 4 4 4 20
> >
> >
> > Spo 2 2 2 1 7
> > ________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > Observer's Name : Khare Tejaswini
> > IMO Code : KHATE
> >
> >
> > Period(UT) Field Teff F LM GEM Spor. Tot.
> > Alfa Delta H m M | N M | N
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> > 18:45 to 125 -05 0.5 1 4.9 C 08 C 7 15
> > 19:20
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> > 20:00 to 135 00 0.5 1 5.0 C 08 C 2 10
> > 20:32
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> > 22:00 to 135 00 0.83 1 5.2 C 16 C 9 25
> > 22:50
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> > Total 32 18 50
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
> > Magnitude distribution.
> >
> > Shower -6 |-5 |-4 |-3 |-2 |-1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 |4 tot.
> > GEM 1 0 3 2 2 8
> > GEM 1 0 0 0 3 2 2 8
> > GEM 2 2 5 3 2 2 16
> >
> > Spo 1 2 3 4 2 6 18
> > ________________________________________________________________
> >
>
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>
> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:35:40 -0500
> From: "Lew Gramer" <lew@upstreamdot net>
> Subject: (meteorobs) Re: Geminid Report[?]
>
> NOTE: Denny is not a current 'meteorobs' reader. If you reply,
> please MANUALLY put 'denny@ionetdot net' in your "Cc:" line!
>
> Clear skies,
> Lew Gramer <owner-meteorobs@atmob.org>
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:32:49 -0800
> > From: Dennis Mishler <denny@ionetdot net>
> > To: David Stine <DStine@exposquare.com>
> > Cc: meteorobs@atmob.org, ...
> > Subject: Re: Geminid Report
> >
> > This is how I recorded the counts David:
> >
> > 1-2am: 109
> > 2-3am: 215
> > 3-4am: 280
> >
> > I left about 4:30am so I think the time of these counts is accurate.
> >
> > Denny Mishler
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:41:24 +1300
> From: "Graham & Amy Palmer" <gramy@globedot net.nz>
> Subject: (meteorobs) Re: Telescope types
>
> What telescope to choose is always a difficult question to answer, but I
> will give it a go...
> Personally, I prefer reflecting models rather than refractors. This is
> mainly because the size of the mirror in reflectors is usually a lot
larger
> than refractors in entry level telescopes... The more light you can
gather,
> the better the images you will get. After that point, the rest comes down
to
> what you can afford and what you want to see... A typical 4 1/2 inch scope
> will show a lot of the brighter objects in the sky, such as the moon,
major
> planets, and a few of the brighter nebulae... After that, the pickings get
a
> bit slim. My preference for a starter scope is in the range of six to ten
> inches, though these do get a bit more expensive...
> With a scope of this size, you can see much more detail and much fainter
> objects, such as distant galaxies... You can also begin to get nice
colours
> emerging from objects such as the Orion nebula.
> One thing to be aware of when shopping, is the claims made by some scope
> makers regarding the magnification of their toys...
> Magnification is a very poor indicator of quality, and in viewing terms,
is
> of only minimal consequence...
> Any scope can be made to produce high magnifications, but few will give a
> good image at high powers...
>
> As I live in New Zealand, I don't know what the pricing is like on
different
> models where you are, so I won't guess...
>
> In the end, I would try to find if there is an astronomy club in your
> area... Then you could see what things are available and try some scopes
> out... Seeing is the only way to know for yourself...
>
> There is one more option, if you have some engineering skills. You could
> consider building your own... There would be heaps of info on the web
> regarding this...
>
> I hope this has given you a point in the right direction...
>
> Good luck, Graham.
>
> Graham & Amy Palmer
> 1/622 Nelson St. North,
> Mahora.
> Hastings, New Zealand.
> Home phone: 06-8735951
>
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>
> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:06:54 -0600
> From: "Jeff Wilson" <meteorrr@worldnet.attdot net>
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Geminids casual obs ( South Australia )
>
> Interesting report Kearn. In South Fla. we dont have roos but we do have
> alligators. What I would like most to know is, (this is for all list
> members), while staring at that same patch how does one rid himself of
that
> nagging suspicion that there is something going on behind him that he is
> missing!!!! Maybe some type of mirror I/he can glance in every so often
> would solve this "problem". All joking aside, I think that both the
serious
> and casual metor watcher have their place. I started out casual and am
> slowly going serious. Lets see now, where did I leave my staight jacket?
>
> Long trains,
> Jeff W.
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "belatrix" <belatrix@ozemail.com.au>
> To: "meteorobs" <meteorobs@atmob.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 6:52 AM
> Subject: (meteorobs) Geminids casual obs ( South Australia )
>
>
> > Hi All
> > I know i could be seriously unpopular for continuing to post these group
> > meteor reports with huge irregular time bins. But until we get a talking
> > clock and portable tape recorder, we're a little reluctant to turn what
> has
> > always been the most relaxing and fun form of skywatching we do
> > ( and it did start out as a relaxing hobby! ), and have done for years,
> into
> > ( that four letter word ) WORK.... ( If your serious that we have to
look
> at
> > the same patch of sky for hours on end - we would need to be in
straight
> > jackets tied to a hannibal lecter type sack truck to do that- our heads
> are
> > nearly capable of a 360 degree turn as it is now !! - almost owl like
!! )
> >
> > Plus sometimes we are doing other astro related stuff, photography and
> > 'scope-ing and just general space-rubbernecking as well on some of these
> > nights ( after travelling all the way to a dark site risking life and
limb
> > [nearly hit a 'roo *again* on last sat morn'!!! ... i'm sure everyone
> > everywhere has got their version of a 'roo where-ever they live in the
> > world! (deer-bears-elephants-pedestrians-aardvarks ect.?) :) ] we really
> > cant be blamed for that surely? ).
> >
> > If that sounds like whining from me - you are correct ;) no disrespect
> > intended to the many real astronomers of all kinds out there who might
> find
> > our whinging insulting, after they have risked and devoted 10 to the
power
> > of 9 times, more effort and time and everything than we will ever have
> done
> > or will do, i suspect .
> > And obviously i do realise the hard working, serious observers and
> analysts
> > provide the statistics, data & so forth, that enables us lazier types
and
> > everyone else to view and enjoy these wonderful showers/storms and be
> > assured of easy success.
> >
> > PLUS i nearly had a revolt on my hands when i tried to tell the other
> > members of our group what is exactly involved in a scientifically useful
> > meteor report ( thanks to the many, many excellent and highly
informative
> > postings to this list ) ..they thought i was making it up!! .
> >
> > And kind of technically we all individually ( in the group ) do see
nearly
> > all the meteors in our report totals, as we will all alert the others to
a
> > meteor and its position in the sky ..with a now super reflexive
> > scream/yell/comment/grunting (depending on scale of meteor quality )
that
> is
> > an entirely physically involuntary response usually anyway.
> >
> > So here it is after much babbling from me..
> >
> > Geminid meteor shower dec 13th 2002 UT
> > Group count - 3 present
> > Location east of Adelaide, Australia near 139 E -34.7 S
> > LM was in the 6 - 7 range all night till astronomical twilight
> > 15:50 - 16:10 UT 7 GEM
> > 16:10 - 16:30 12 GEM
> > 16:30 - 16:48 missing?
> > 16:48 - 17:12 18 GEM
> > 17:12 - 17:30 12 GEMS
> > 17:30 - 17:54 17 GEMS
> >
> > shower died down abruptly with twilight approaching (we missed a quiet a
> few
> > meteors due to photographing a lot of stuff during that time)
> >
> > saw a nice mag 0 GEM from NW to SSW at 17:25 UT
> > and a double skip mag 1 bolide GEM heading NE low on northern horizon
at
> > 17:56 UT
> > as well as plenty of great classic Geminid's amongst them all.
> > The shower was well under way when we arrived at 15:50 UT.
> >
> > also a report from a member of the group driving home from a sober
working
> > night at around 4:30 am local time the following Sunday morning (18:00
UT
> > 14th dec ) to his house in a rural town near Adelaide. Of seeing many
> > fireballs ( hes pretty confident they were Geminids..) They were so
bright
> > they caught his attention while driving and continued to see them till
> 5:00
> > am into the dawn when he arrived at his home and got out the car ( he
> says
> > he saw at least around a dozen fire balls during that half hour period )
> >
> > Regards
> > Kearn Jones
> > PS I wont post any more obs till i get the clock and recorder - i
promise.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:04:51 +1030
> From: belatrix <belatrix@ozemail.com.au>
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Re: Geminids in Jakarta, Indonesia
>
> > From: "Robert McNaught" <rmn@murky.anudot edu.au>
> > Reply-To: meteorobs@atmob.org
> > Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:11:44 -0500
> > To: "meteorobs (E-mail)" <meteorobs@atmob.org>
> > Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Re: Geminids in Jakarta, Indonesia
> >=20
> >
> > There is no basis to this. Unless a prediction has some theoretical
> > justification you can't say that one prediction out of many that just
> > happens to be right proves anything about that prediction. It might
> > just have been an error that happened to be correct!
>
> Rob I have to agree that was indeed very possible . But if that was a
> mistake, its the kind of mistake i wish all mistakes were like.
> Also to be honest the 2002 year book wasnt correct on the peak date of
the
> Leonids for 2002 - but neither was any other long term prediction for this
> year's Leonids (that i had seen anyway).
>
> Then we had that last minute very dramatic adjustment via the internet -
> two weeks before the leonids peak, i think [ what was that all about ? ] -
> to the predictions which was of course was dead on again, as i very well
> know you know all about ;) ) But these long term predictions (like the
> yearbook and the IMO website) are very helpful to people, like our little
> group, who have to plan ahead in the year and book holidays or just the
day
> off work at least to go out and see any particular shower.
> >=20
> > Basically unrelated, but two comets have been discovered by observers
> > pointing there telescopes where they expected to find a known comet,
find=
> ing
> it,
> > then noting that their coordinates were wrong. Mistakes can appear to
> > be correct.
>
> I'm guessing one of those observers you mention was Sebastian H=F6nig only
> this year with comet C/2002 O4 (H=F6nig) :)
> =20
> I hope its not too presumptuous of me to take this opportunity to humbly
> thank you and your fellow researchers ( im sure i speak for a great many )
> for the fantastic work yourself and your colleagues/peers do in assessing
> and predicting these shower/storm peaks and troughs )
>
> Regards
> Kearn
>
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:41:18 -0600
> From: "Jeff Wilson" <meteorrr@worldnet.attdot net>
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Beginner telescope recommendation?
>
> You may want to consider the Edmund Astroscan. It's small, easily carried
> and has a unique "mounting" which is much more reliable than the usual
shaky
> tripod. Actually it may even be a bit more scope than you want to
purchase
> for an 8 year old but I do think it would make a great father/son scope as
> opposed to any of the department store "scopes" out there. Hope this
helps.
>
> Jeff W.
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: <kahuna2@fastdot net>
> To: <meteorobs@atmob.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 2:52 PM
> Subject: (meteorobs) Beginner telescope recommendation?
>
>
> > My apologies if this is off topic. (If so, please reply off list.)
> >
> > I imagine there's a bunch of people with telescopes on this list. To
date,
> > I've gotten by with eyeballs and binoculars. Unfortunately, that leaves
my
> > telescope knowledge lacking.
> >
> > Does anyone have any recommendations on a starter scope for an 8
year-old?
> > Brands, price ranges, feature sets to look for, etc? Any help is
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks -
> > Gene
> >
> >
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> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 06:15:49 -0000
> From: "Mark S. Williams" <k9gx@n4gn.com>
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Beginner telescope recommendation?
>
> Gene,
>
> While I've never owned one I think for simplicity (just point and shoot)
and
> the maximum aperature for the buck (your 8 year old will see more) I'd
have
> to say a Dobsonian. I just got my "Orion" telescope catalog out here. They
> sell the Orion Skyquest XT 4.5 Dobsonian for about $200. They're marketing
> this thing as the ideal "kids scope".
>
> I think a Dob will give you maximum aperature for the money and the Dob
> mount (basically a lazy susan type of deal) makes it easy for a child to
> use...no messing with altazimuth or equatorial mounts.
>
> Now the only down side to this is that, unless the scope has a tracking
> drive on it, your youngster will have to manually move the Dob to keep
> objects in view, but what the heck. That's how they learn about the
earth's
> rotation.
>
> I think I would find out where your local astronomy club meets for "star
> parties" and take the kid (or kids) there and let them look through a few
> different scopes.
>
> I'm sure many a child has lost interest in astronomy after a disappointing
> first experience with a "dime store" telescope. A Dob should give a good
> account of itself..a kid should be able to see a lot with one.
>
> I would also suggest you order a copy of Guy Ottwell's "Astronomical
> Calendar" and "Astronomical Companion" both very excellent books. Check
out
> "Universal Workshop" online. It may be universalworkshop.com
>
> I have no idea about your level of knowledge with astronomy. If you'd like
> information on where to buy telescopes and astronomy "stuff" get back to
me.
> I'll be glad to offer some suggestions. Now, it's back to addressing
> Christmas cards!
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark S. Williams
> Elizabeth, IN
>
> k9gx@n4gn.com
>
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> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:19:57 EST
> From: Skywayinc@aol.com
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Beginner telescope recommendation?
>
> In a message dated 12/17/02 4:04:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> kahuna2@fastdot net writes:
>
> << Does anyone have any recommendations on a starter scope for an 8
year-old=
> ?
> Brands, price ranges, feature sets to look for, etc? Any help is
> appreciated. >>
>
> Hi Gene --
>
> I wish I had a nickel for all the times that somebody came up to me
and=20
> said that they've just gotten interested in astronomy right and off the
bat=20
> wanted to purchase a telescope. Or . . . (like you), a parent or
grandparen=
> t=20
> wanted to know the best telescope to buy for a young child in, say, the=20
> 8-to-12 year old age bracket.=20
>
> My usual response to this is: "First, you (or the child) should
spend=20
> some quality time under the stars and then, when you think you (or the
child=
> )=20
> is ready, go out and purchase a pair of good binoculars." Some might
think=20
> that binoculars are a bit of a come down from a telescope, but the fact
of=20
> the matter is that for certain aspects of sky watching they are the
best=20
> instrument of all to use. A pair of 7-power binoculars is lightweight
and=20
> portable. And a quality pair of binoculars can far outrank a poor
quality=20
> small telescope and is an instrument that should last you a lifetime. =20
>
> Binoculars come in a variety of sizes. Most observers prefer the=20
> so-called 7 x 50 "night glasses." The 7 refer to the
magnification,=20
> while the 50 refer to the diameter of the two objective lenses measured
in=20
> millimeters. My own personal preference, incidentally, are 7 x 35=20
> "wide-angle" binoculars that provide a much larger field of view (11=BA)
as=20
> opposed to most other units. Any good pair of 7-power binoculars, when
held=
> =20
> steadily will give you a glimpse of the craters of the Moon, the crescent
of=
> =20
> Venus and the moons of Jupiter. Should a bright comet come along, there
is=20
> no better instrument to give you a great overall view of both the head
and=20
> tail. And by just sweeping along the Milky Way, you'll be treated to a=20
> myriad of stars. =20
>
> The year 2003 will bring quite a few interesting sky events including
tw=
> o=20
> total lunar eclipses, a transit of Mercury and very close approach of
the=20
> planet Mars to the Earth. These are the kind of sights that can fire-up
the=
> =20
> interest in the sky for an impressionable youngster. =20
>
> So . . . I'd say get him a nice pair of binoculars and a couple of
good=20
> astronomy guides. If, a year from now, he comes to you and says: "I'd=20
> really like a telescope," you'll know he's ready to move up to the next=20
> plateau.
>
> - -- joe rao
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> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:17:53 +0000 (GMT)
> From: "Malcolm J. Currie" <mjc@star.rl.acdot uk>
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Beginner telescope recommendation?
>
> > You may want to consider the Edmund Astroscan. It's small, easily
carried
> > and has a unique "mounting" which is much more reliable than the usual
shaky
> > tripod.
>
> It's also useable for telescopic meteor watching. (-:
>
> A decent binocular beats department-store refractor and stopped down
> reflectors any day. When I first used a binocular on the sky, the wide
> field of view was a revelation after the tiny areas through a 60-mm
> refractor bought for me at age 11. If you want to look at the moon and
> planets, then a small refractor or Dobsonian is needed. I'd tend to go
> for the latter. The Dobsoninans are competitively priced; in real terms
> you can buy a 10-inch Dobsonian for less than my 60-mm refractor from
> the 1960s cost.
>
> Malcolm
>
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> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:08:49 +0800
> From: Rosdin Mokhtar <rosdinm@tmdot net.my>
> Subject: (meteorobs) Geminids observed in Malacca, Malaysia
>
> Location : Sungai Udang Port, Malacca, Malaysia.
> Long : 2.2433 N
> Lat : 102.1250 E
> Date : 14 Dec 2002
> Time : 1730 - 2130 UT
> Elevation : 3.0 meter
>
> Dear all,
>
> Last month Leonids were dissapointing due to heavy downpour (monsoon
> season) but luckily the night of Geminids there was no rain, only clear
> skies. I saw more than 50 Geminids crossing the night sky. It was really
> great. I myself and a few friends really enjoyed the show. Most of my
> friends had not seen the meteors. As per prediction, the peak hours is at
> 2200 UT. We had to stop looking when the cloud came and covered the sky.
I
> am quite frustrated not to watch Geminids at the peak hours. Hopefully
this
> coming Ursids will be a great phenomenon to be seen.
>
> Rosdin.
>
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:54:08 +0900
> From: "Hiroshi Ogawa" <HZH02257@nifty.ne.jp>
> Subject: (meteorobs) Geminid Visual FLASH Report over JAPAN
>
> Hello all,
>
> This is the FINAL announcement of Geminid FLASH report provided by
> Japanese observers. In this time, this FLASH report was calculated
> by Mr. Shigeo UCHIYAMA.
>
> ==========================================
> GEMINID 2002 FLASH REPORT FROM JAPAN
> (Final Announcement)
> --- The Nippon Meteor Society ---
> ==========================================
>
>
> N : The number of data
> GEM : Total Geminid Meteor numbers
> Teff : Total Observing Time
> ZHRave : Gamma=1.0, r=2.0
> Err. : ZHR*(1/SQRT(LEO))
>
> excluding:observations under unfavorable condition
> (Cl>0.4, RP-h<10deg, Time<30min.)
>
> 1. Daily analysis (graph : http://www.nms.gr.jp/gem2002day.gif)
>
> Time JST UT N Teff GEM HRave ZHRave Err.
> - --------------------------------------------------------------
> Dec. 5d 01:00 4d 16:00 1 65 1 0.9 1.9 1.9
> Dec. 6d 01:00 5d 16:00 0 - - - - -
> Dec. 7d 01:00 6d 16:00 0 - - - - -
> Dec. 8d 01:00 7d 16:00 1 30 5 10.0 15.1 6.8
> Dec. 9d 01:00 8d 16:00 0 - - - - -
> Dec. 10d 01:00 9d 16:00 5 240 63 15.8 19.4 2.4
> Dec. 11d 01:00 10d 16:00 7 420 144 20.6 26.1 2.2
> Dec. 12d 01:00 11d 16:00 6 360 146 24.3 35.8 3.0
> Dec. 13d 01:00 12d 16:00 13 625 575 55.2 79.8 3.3
> Dec. 14d 01:00 13d 16:00 59 2961 2667 54.0 128.0 2.5
> Dec. 15d 01:00 14d 16:00 160 7564 6993 55.5 138.5 1.7
>
>
> 2. Hourly analysis (graph : http://www.nms.gr.jp/gem2002hour.gif)
>
> Time JST UT N Teff GEM HRave ZHRave Err.
> - --------------------------------------------------------------
> Dec.12d 23:30 12d 14:30 1 60 51 51.0 68.2 9.5
> Dec.13d 0:30 12d 15:30 3 120 85 42.5 66.4 7.2
> Dec.13d 1:30 12d 16:30 7 330 278 50.5 78.9 4.7
> Dec.13d 2:30 12d 17:30 1 40 59 88.5 98.7 12.8
> Dec.13d 3:30 12d 18:30 1 75 102 81.6 96.9 9.6
>
> Dec.13d 22:30 13d 13:30 1 30 35 70.0 143.6 24.3
> Dec.13d 23:30 13d 14:30 4 210 87 24.9 87.7 9.4
> Dec.14d 0:30 13d 15:30 12 520 312 36.0 117.4 6.6
> Dec.14d 1:30 13d 16:30 14 680 680 60.0 148.2 5.7
> Dec.14d 2:30 13d 17:30 9 486 560 69.1 127.4 5.4
> Dec.14d 3:30 13d 18:30 10 525 541 61.8 116.9 5.0
> Dec.14d 4:30 13d 19:30 8 450 365 48.7 142.4 7.5
> Dec.14d 5:30 13d 20:30 1 60 87 87.0 113.7 12.2
>
> Dec.14d 20:30 14d 11:30 3 190 131 41.4 189.8 16.6
> Dec.14d 21:30 14d 12:30 5 256 195 45.7 165.3 11.8
> Dec.14d 22:30 14d 13:30 8 369 326 53.0 175.3 9.7
> Dec.14d 23:30 14d 14:30 21 876 729 49.9 158.0 5.9
> Dec.15d 0:30 14d 15:30 27 1136 1022 54.0 145.1 4.5
> Dec.15d 1:30 14d 16:30 34 1564 1340 51.4 119.9 3.3
> Dec.15d 2:30 14d 17:30 21 1011 1321 78.4 147.4 4.1
> Dec.15d 3:30 14d 18:30 24 1227 1127 55.1 124.7 3.7
> Dec.15d 4:30 14d 19:30 15 825 569 41.4 125.2 5.2
> Dec.15d 5:30 14d 20:30 2 110 233 127.1 167.9 11.0
>
> Total Number of data : 252
> Total Geminid meteor number: 10,594
> Total Observing Time : 12,265min. (=204.42hr)
>
> Observers(Teff);
> Kazuhiro SUMIE(25.9), Kazuhiro OSADA(13.0), Minoru MURAKI(10.2),
> Akihiko ONODERA(9.0), Katsuhiro YOSHIZAKI(9.0), Takema HASHIMOTO(7.8),
> Hiroyuki KATO(7.5), Shin NAKAYAMA(7.1), Takuya TANAKA(6.8),
> Satoshi UEHARA(5.8), Ken-ichi FUSHIMI(5.7), Koetsu SATO(5.4),
> Kazumi TERAKUBO(5.2), Seiichi YONEYAMA(4.9), Shigeo UCHIYAMA(4.7),
> Yoshikazu OKETANI(4.7), Katsuhiko MAMETA(4.2), Yoshito TANAKA(3.7),
> Mano SUZUKI(3.3), Yasuhiro TAKEDA(3.3), Nozomi SOUMA(2.7),
> Toru TAKAHASHI(2.7), Ayako TAMURA(2.5), Hirokazu FUKUSHIMA(2.5),
> Kumiko KAI(2.5), Yasuko TOYA(2.5), Hideo AMI(2.3), Hiroshi OGAWA(2.3),
> Hideyasu YAMAGUCHI(2.3), Yoko KAMATA(2.0), Yukihisa MATSUMOTO(2.0),
> Hidehiko SUZUKI(1.8), Mio TSUKAKOSHI(1.8), Shingo FUJISAWA(1.8),
> Tomohiko ARAKI(1.8), Akane IMAMURA(1.7), Kaori HAGA(1.7),
> Kouji MAEDA(1.7), Kumiko TAKEDA(1.7), Masafumi FUNYU(1.7),
> Michiko KASHIHARA(1.7), Yuki KATOH(1.7), Akemi SUGIYAMA(1.5),
> Yoshihiro HIGA(1.3), Takashi SEKIGUCHI(1.1), Minoru SHIMIZU(1.0),
> Satoshi IBARAKI(1.0), Yusuke KAMEOKA(1.0), Kouichi YAMADA(0.8),
> Sachiko YAMAGUCHI(1.1), Takehiko ADACHI(0.8), Teizaburo TSUKAMOTO(0.8),
> Masashi TAWARA(0.7), Chieko IIDA(0.5), Megumi MAKABE(0.5)
>
> (55 observers)
>
> with best wishes
> Hiroshi OGAWA
>
> - ----------------------------------
> Hiroshi Ogawa (University of Tsukuba, JAPAN)
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> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:34:43 +1100 (EST)
> From: Robert McNaught <rmn@murky.anudot edu.au>
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Re: Geminids in Jakarta, Indonesia
>
> Hi,
> I'm not aware of anyone making changes (except perhaps of a few minutes)
> to the predicted time of the 2002 Leonid peaks. Rates are always an
> issue and I suspect most observers are seduced by the reported errors in
> ZHR calculations that do not include a full error propogation for
> all factors that are used in the determination of ZHRs. I have never
> accepted formal statistical errors even when I was the JAS meteor section
> director in the UK. I considered a second significant figure in many ZHRs
> as questionable. With masses of observations, a second significant
> figure is reasonable, but I don't believe it.
>
> The 2 comets I refer to were discovered about 70 years ago and about
> 10 years ago. The former was when someone trying to confirm a new comet
> was sent the wrong coordinates and believed they had confirmed a new
> comet, but had in fact discovered a different one. The other was when
> the Shoemakers had the wrong mean anomaly in their orbit for a comet
> Levy. Instead of observing comet Levy, they found another one following
> comet Levy by the exact amount of their error in mean anomaly! The comets
> has split on a previous occasion. Gary Kronk and others will have this
> info at their fingertips. Perhaps Hoenig is another but I know nothing of
> it's discovery circumstance.
>
> Cheers, Rob
>
>
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Dear all enthusiasts all over the world,
It seems to me that the so-called "modern world" has taken much of my time.
Although, I had free time to think, I had free time for meditation, I had
free time to observe the simple things that we have all around us, and
they're so important. I had free time to seek for the meaning of some of the
new words, so common among us, I had free time, to reavalite the meaning of
love, I had free time to think about "the rich ones and the poor ones", I
had free time to observe the Cosmos, the reason why we're all are here.
Finally, I'm having free time to wish YOU all this:
MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR (>;
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