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Re: (meteorobs) Leonids and Puppid/Velids 19th nov UT
False Alarm! The "Musca like" trapeziumish (?) asterism i was actually
looking at was the top left side of the False Cross (looking at it as a
cross centred upright) how i didnt instantly recognise the false cross i am
not sure! but i was busy looking for bright LEO fireballs at the time and
had been dazzled by the point meteor as well.
The position were i saw the point meteor, and which was the perceived rough
radiant ( in my periphery of sight ) that was the source of nearly all the
sporadics, is on the border of Vela and Carina at around
09 hours 23 min - 57 . Two of the stars that make up the asterism are Chi
Vela and Iota Carina. This new coordinate is about 15* away from the centre
of the 10* diameter radiant of the Puppid/Velids centred on 08 hr 12: min -
45 so it is 10* to far away i'm afraid!
Maybe they were Velid/Carinids???. :-)
While checking the sky out tonight very occasionally from backyards (not
too late) i saw more sporadics coming from the southern milky way - a few
were bright for the city - a nice bright pair of long pathed white meteors
originated from near my new position, but from about 5 degrees below it. But
they are all probably sporadics i guess - i must of got carried away by that
"white star supernova" point meteor i saw . As you all know they are not
super common - i have probably seen maybe 15 - 20 of them, but of the ones i
have seen, most of them are LEO's, they are the best at it i reckon.
Cheers
Kearn Jones
www.southern-x.org
> From: belatrix <belatrix@ozemail.com.au>
> Reply-To: meteorobs@atmob.org
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:38:23 +1030
> To: meteorobs <meteorobs@atmob.org>
> Subject: (meteorobs) Leonids and Puppid/Velids 19th nov UT
>
> Hi
> Went out (solo) to dark site near 34.5 south 139 east (400 mtrs) to
> hopefully view LEO's - only saw total of 5 LEO's in over two hours of teff -
> but saw high activity from small area of the southern milky way as i was
> looking high N/E for LEO's - at first i thought it was just usual sporadics
> but when a couple of them again caught my eye, i turned to look and i was
> looking at an asterism which i thought for a second was Musca, but quickly
> realised it wasnt right.
>
> While i was looking at this asterism, right in the centre, i saw what
> appeared to be a 1.5 sec lasting +2 supernova which left no star in its
> place! But of course it must of been a head on meteor (Point meteor?) i
> continued to get most of meteors of the night roughly from this area, even
> though i was centred NE. Upon reflection after i got home, i thought to
> check for a shower from this area. i came up with the possibility that they
> were Puppid/Velids. The Musca like asterism i think it was seems to be
> centred around 08hr 45 min -45 with lambda Vela on the top corner of
> asterism, from my view. I will check it out at the same time tomorrow if
> possible, to see if i am correct about the asterism and its position. I read
> that the 10 degree diameter radiant of the Puppid/Velids is around 08 hr 12
> min - 45 . Active from dec 1st - dec 15th with max activity on 7 th dec
> with a ZHR of 10.
>
> These are the ones that crossed into my high NE centred view, from my right
>
> 1:50 am - 2:17 am 4 possible Puppid/Velids (ACDST 20th nov) 15% cloud cover
> 2:30 am - 3:00 am 5 possible Puppid/Velids 15% cloud cover
> 3:01 am - 3:31 am 5 possible Puppid/Velids 40% cloud cover
>
> 1:50 am 20th Nov ACDST = 15:20 19th nov 03 UT
>
> They were white in colour and around the +2 to +3 in mag , swiftish but
> medium long, some travelled about 50* - 60* heading north and north west
> mostly, no trains. ZLM was around 6.5 at these times (high thin cirrus
> again) and 5.5 at horizon. There were a few more meteors from this area
> outside of these times, but these are the ones i wrote down.
>
> Come to think of it, all these 6 and half years we have going out to see the
> big - ( mostly north favouring - but hey! we get the centre of our galaxy
> at zenith mid winter, the mage's, and Q4 and T7 next year ect., so im not
> complaining too much :-) ) - "Blockbuster" meteor showers there has often
> been a lot of activity from southern areas, but we only looked at them as a
> side entertainment and marked them down as sporadics usually. Some of them
> certainly could of been shower members - will have to start taking them more
> seriously.
>
> Will write leonid report later : best leonid was -5 smoking earthgrazer
> that headed west over the horizon - at least 75* degree path- at around 3:15
> am acdst 16:45 19th UT
>
> Cheers
> Kearn Jones
>
>
>
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