Lew If you don't mind a new guys opinion, I like deepskylog.org as well. It is very understandable, the old addy was a bit confussing as to what the site was about. Stars in your eyes, Barry Martasian http://community.webtv.net/Timetrav2/TIMETRAVELERS To stop receiving all 'netastrocatalog' lists, use the Web form at: http://www.tiac.net/users/lewkaren/netastrocatalog/subscribe.html