In a message dated 98-10-13 14:32:00 EDT, you write: << I and the amateur Jordanian astronomers in Jordan we used signus stars for the draconids observing camp since it is easier and well known and clear too. (2.0) *--> (~3.5) \ * --->(2.5) * * * * -->( 1.0) | *--->(~3.0) (~4.0) any comments ?! :) >> Khaled, I also use the end star(Albireo) in cygnus for my comparisons. I use it for +3 magnitude comparisons. GeoZay