I have a 30mm lens for my 23C videocamera, but I have not tested it, yet. My thought was to use it with an all-sky mirror (an old "baby moon" hubcap upon which I have put 30 coats of Turtle Wax) Bob Young The archive and Web site for our list is at http://www.meteorobs.org To stop getting all email from the 'meteorobs' lists, use our Webform: http://www.meteorobs.org/subscribe.html