It's definitely getting up there, Dave - we logged it cleanly using an 8" SCT with telescopic LM around 14.0 on Tuesday night! Report to follow, this time INCLUDING some observational details of M88 itself. :) Lew To UNSUBSCRIBE from the 'netastrocatalog' lists, use the Web form at: http://www.tiac.net/users/lewkaren/netastrocatalog/subscribe.html