I think what it comes down to is that you have a light pollution problem. Read thru some of the literature at the <A HREF="www.darksky.org">Internationa l Dark Sky</A> site and speak to you town managers about getting those lights shielded :) KevinK ~~~~~~~ To UNSUBSCRIBE from the 'meteorobs' email list, use the Web form at: http://www.tiacdot net/users/lewkaren/meteorobs/subscribe.html